Talk:Pre-universe

1oth Doctor; 3.2 Removed fanon

This sentence raised an eyebrow for me:
"whereas by his tenth it would almost be an article of religious faith to him that such a universe could not have existed."
Perhaps I'm remembering this episode wrong, but didn't the Doctor view the existence of Pre-Universe with the utmost disbelief, rather than the lack of existence? -Revitalizer ☎ 01:39, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to be blunt, but you are remembering the episode wrong. He refused to believe that there was such a thing. He didn't acknowledge it's existence, as it went against all his beliefs. It was only afterwards, I think, that he acknowledged that there's still big secrets that he hadn't yet found, reality's in flux. Correct me if I'm wrong, though; I usually am. SmallerOnTheOutside ☎ 01:51, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Well that's what I'm saying. /: I think my problem is that I initially interpreted that sentence as stating that the Doctor felt that it was merely faith to not to believe in Pre-Universe (and that corrected, the "not" should be omitted). On second reading, I can see that it was meant to say that the Doctor personally holds the view with the fervor of religious faith that Pre-Universe doesn't exist. I don't think my initial interpretation is unreasonable, which makes me think this is much fuzzier than it needs to be (especially given that, read as I read it, it states the exact opposite of how its meant to be read). -Revitalizer ☎ 02:10, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

"Donut-shaped stars": in 2001 it was shown that donut-shaped stars can exist in universes with five or more dimensions (see the "Black ring" solution here: http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0110260 -- the article is talking about something analogous to a black hole but Birkhoff's theorem says such a solution should work for stars as well)