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Talk:Ludwig van Beethoven

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Citation Needed on Born/Death Year

Where the {{fact}} template is in the intro paragraph for the born/death dates, in this case is Wikipedia a valid source, since this article is showing the real-world born/death years, or does the citation need to be a DWU source? I'm new here, and I read through parts of the Manual of Style, especially T:CITE, and still am unsure. --ToaMeiko 05:22, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Beethoven shouldn't be merged with the 12th Doctor as he isn't Beethoven. While giving the example of someone becoming Beethoven in "Before the Flood" the Doctor says it didn't happen and he has met Beethoven. He was giving an example of a Bootstrap Paradox, not talking about something he experienced

It's heavily implied though. --90.221.128.67talk to me 12:15, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

The Doctor did say it didn't happen. He isn't Beethoven, he was using it as an analogy.  Digifiend  Talk  PR/SS  KR  MH  Toku  JD  Garo  TH  CG  UM  Logos  CLG  DW  13:10, 11/10/2015 
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