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The idea that everyone on Earth becomes the Master makes no sense:
- People in smaller clothes or tight spaces. What would happen to them when they became Mastered?
- People in wheel chairs or on life support. If when they became the Master and they moved away from these necessities before changing back then they would fall and possibly die. That's a lot of deaths.
Somebody please explain this to me! 94.72.192.2talk to me 16:13, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
- It looked like people's clothes changed sizes when they became the Master, and anyone in a wheelchair is screwed. Either they're stuck until somebody helped them, or they died. It's not like either the Master or Rassilon would really care.Icecreamdif ☎ 17:36, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
Clothes changing size somehow doesn't suspend belief too much, but I doubt that if someone's in a tight space then said tight space will expand, and a lot of disabled people must have mysteriously died from falling somewhere far away from their wheelchair, definitely enough to arouse suspicion. 94.72.192.2talk to me 21:08, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
- Arouse more suspicion than, say, Gallifrey suddenly being visible in the sky? Even if nobody remembered turning into the Master, they certainly all remembered that; there was even a joke about a 'typical Donna moment' in her missing it.
- According to Luke, Sarah Jane somehow covered the whole thing up. (I have no idea how that worked.) Every conspiracy theorist in the world would be looking for holes in that coverup. Even if someone noticed that a few hundred disabled people, children, and extraordinarily tall people died or were injured in slightly odd ways on the same day, that wouldn't make even the most avid conspiracy nut suspect that, say, everyone had turned into Harold Saxon for a few hours.
- And finally, even if someone did figure out that the Master Race thing happened, so what? These are people who are used to leaving London every Christmas to avoid alien invasions, who recently got towed across the galaxy by the Daleks, etc. --70.36.140.233talk to me 09:33, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
I mean arousing suspicion in the sense that at least one of the characters would mention it. Luke Smith, for instance, was heard talking about a planet mysteriously appearing in the sky, but he didn't mention that nearly every wheelchair-bound person in the world all fell out at the same time and died of the fall. Stephen Hawking, for instance, probably wouldn't survive, and that has to have some impact, as much in the DW universe as it would in this one. I'm guessing Rassilon just reversed the process and the effects of it, the effects of it being that Mastered people in small spaces were squished and disabled people all fell and died without even leaving their wheelchairs. 94.72.194.203talk to me 10:05, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
- Those are by no means the only effects. What do you think happens when you wake up to find yourself driving a lorry at 80kph? (RTD even wrote a scene about a plane crash, but didn't film it.) Lots of people died during the first change, and during the second, and maybe even as a result of reckless things they did as the Master. Even if Rassilon undid all of that (and he had no reason to do so—he explicitly said that he didn't care about the humans, and he was about to erase their universe), more people probably died when the Earth began to shake apart, and in the aftermath. According to Sylvia, the 999 system was so overburdened that nobody could get through; if they couldn't get help for Donna, you think anyone could get help for their father's heart attack? Amidst all that horror, the only people who are going to care about the odd way in which some disabled people died are the people very close to one of those disabled people. --70.36.140.233talk to me 21:17, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
also, remember that people didn't seem to move much once turned into the master. sylvia-master and donna's-boyfriend-master didn't seem to shift at all as they returned to their original selves in the exact same spot as when they changed into the master. so i assume anyone not needed for the master's plan stayed where they were. i assume the masters in wheelchairs just didn't get up because there would be no need for them to. Imamadmad ☎ 08:13, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
That just leaves the small clothes problem, but I'm guessing that that's just one of those things that has no explanation. 94.72.194.203talk to me 18:46, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
well, the clothes didn't seem to change size for the masters we saw on screen, so i'm assuming there would have just been a whole lot of naked children surrounded by ripped clothes when they re-humanised. Imamadmad ☎ 04:55, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
… and a lot of people singing the Incredible Hulk theme. --70.36.140.233talk to me 07:29, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
Maybe the transformation was slow for people of extreme sizes and the small ones had time to find a larger space and remove any clothing that was the wrong size. 94.72.194.203talk to me 15:38, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
- Sure, that's possible. But we didn't see any evidence of it. The only reason anyone's trying to come up with these theories is because otherwise there'd be a lot of ruined clothing and a good number of dead and injured people. But the simplest theory is that there was a lot of ruined clothing and a good number of dead and injured people. Why do people think that's an impossible thing that has to be explained away? --70.36.140.233talk to me 16:31, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
Well, the amount of deaths would be through the roof, a lot more than just a "good number". At any given time around the world there are probably millions of people in positions that would cause them death if they suddenly became Masters for a few hours. It's just surprising the event has never been mentioned since, unless the cracks were somehow involved. 94.72.194.203talk to me 16:51, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
No more surprising than all the other events that caused massive devastation and widespread death and injury. How many times has Miracle Day been mentioned in series 6 and 7? More to the point, how many times was Gallifrey appearing in the sky and almost destroying the planet mentioned?
- Please sign your posts on wikia talk pages. But yeah, I think you've hit the nail on the head. We almost never see anyone discussing major events from the past unless they're directly relevant to the current story. So, the fact that we don't see people talking about X is almost no evidence at all that X didn't happen. --70.36.140.233talk to me 02:07, September 26, 2012 (UTC)