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He's the first incarnation according to Big Finish, and there is no evidence to discourage what thy are saying.BananaClownMan ☎ 19:46, January 7, 2018 (UTC)
- I've removed the delete tag, as it is causing havoc with the template's use on other pages. I am posting its text here:
- delete|Is it an incarnation separate from that played by other actors, in particular, by William Hughes? Do we know for sure which incarnation it is? Is there a subsection of The Master page dedicated wholly to this incarnation?
- Shambala108 ☎ 21:47, January 7, 2018 (UTC)
- Hmm, do you, User:BananaClownMan, mean to say that all the changes made to multiple pages are based on an out-of-universe statement by Big Finish Productions? I listened to The Destination Wars and did not find any statement regarding where in his regeneration cycle the Master was at the time. If I missed something, please provide a quote. Otherwise, Tardis:In-universe perspective demands that all the relevant edits be undone. Let me quote that policy directly:
Use only valid sources — which is to say narratives — to write your article. Material from reference works, deleted scenes, or documentaries can only go in "behind the scenes" sections.
- I would, therefore, greatly appreciate it if you either provide in-universe proof of the fact or remove the fact from the pages you edited.
- Now, I am glad that the template caught my eye and we have the opportunity to check everything thoroughly. But beyond it, what is the purpose of this template? And why is this template named after Dreyfus rather than Hughes, who, according to you, played the same incarnation. Hughes was much earlier (in all senses). What is the watershed moment separating them? Quite bluntly, why should there be a template to describe just one story? And how is it possible to assign comic and prose stories published much earlier and, hence, without any notion of Dreyfus ever playing this role, to the period supposedly covered by this template. How can an editor of The Dark Path, published in 1997 and featuring material in the same subsection on the Master's page, supposed to know to use this template, which is based on an actor debuting in the role in 2017? What is the connection between Dreyfus and The Nameless City, another story featured in the same subsection? Amorkuz ☎ 22:02, January 7, 2018 (UTC)
- Forgive me if I am wrong, but is it not stated on pages like James Dreyfus that he is playing the First Master, and that the Master stories template includes him as "First"? Anyway, I made this template for links to the Renegade Time Lord part of the Master's life before Delgado, and in preparation for any further use Big Finish may have for the Dreyfus Master, like Macqueen and Jacobi, who both received templates after just one outing as the Master. I only added it to the Master stories template because, well, Sound of Drums is a flashback cameo, Dark Path is either a nother flashback or a dream manifestation, and The Toy is set just before the Master flees Gallifrey. For all intend and purposes, The Destination Wars is the only "Master story" he's truly in, and it is the Dreyfus one. On a personnel note, I too dislike the idea of Dreyfus being the same incarnation as Hughes; if he and the Doctor are both in the same incarnation, and both went to school at the same age (8, maybe?), why is the Master so much younger than the Doctor? I think it would be best if somewhere down the line its revealed Dreyfus is a different incarnation, but that's just me.BananaClownMan ☎ 17:29, January 9, 2018 (UTC)
Do not use this template
Please do not use this template as its scope and usefulness are currently under review and it is quite likely that the template will be deleted. Amorkuz ☎ 01:10, January 8, 2018 (UTC)