User talk:Najawin/Archive 2

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Block

Hi I guess you don't realize how seriously we take Tardis:Vandalism policy here. Even after I put a general warning, you continued to copy User:DiSoRiEnTeD1's comments to a place he specifically didn't want it after specifically asking you several times not to do it. You're blocked for a week, and just to avoid any future problems, please make sure you are aware of T:SOCK. Thanks Shambala108 ☎ 02:21, May 21, 2020 (UTC)

Based on your apology and explanation on my talk page at Memory Alpha, I've unblocked you.

When I blocked you, I did leave you the ability to respond here on your talk page. If, God forbid, you ever get blocked again, try responding here first before trying another wiki (just so we don't bother them too much). Thanks Shambala108 ☎ 02:38, May 21, 2020 (UTC)

Ah, apologies, had no idea. Still a little new to this, so when I saw Danochy telling him not to remove stuff and you chiming in with the same rule I just figured it was directed at him. In the future if someone asks me to not c/p their stuff, for continuity what do you suggest, just ignoring it? Or try to summarize the points so people can still follow along without directly using the words of the user who doesn't want to be attached to it? Najawin ☎ 02:45, May 21, 2020 (UTC)

Though as I'm still actually blocked and can edit this that serves as a lovely proof of concept for if there's a next time. Najawin ☎ 02:49, May 21, 2020 (UTC)

According to everything I see, you're unblocked. Maybe give it a little bit, then try again? If that doesn't work I'll get in touch with someone who understands technical issues.

And in the future you should never copy someone else's posts unless you are quoting them, including their name, and preferably citing back to the original page. Don't just copy paste as if the other user is making the post themselves. Shambala108 ☎ 02:52, May 21, 2020 (UTC)

Gotcha. So would:

Shambala108 said "When I blocked you, I did leave you the ability to respond here on your talk page. If, God forbid, you ever get blocked again, try responding here first before trying another wiki (just so we don't bother them too much)." on User talk:Najawin

be an okay format for if I'm trying to move a conversation for continuity? I'm just trying not to step on anyone's toes here.Najawin ☎ 02:56, May 21, 2020 (UTC)

TARDIS Eruditorum

Hiya, I saw your edit summary on TARDIS Eruditorum. Just a reminder that {{inuse}} exists should you want to perfect it before anybody else inadvertently messes up your work. Happy editing, --Borisashton ☎ 19:48, June 2, 2020 (UTC)

Re

"Awful" and "unreasonable", is that it? Duly noted. Shambala108 ☎ 02:49, June 10, 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank You! I am still new to the wiki and am still in the process of adjusting. I accidentally erased the message user Laura had left as I'm not used to the wiki format. Thank you for undoing my "idiotic" mistake!– The preceding unsigned comment was added by DoctorQuoi (talk • contribs) .

(I will note for any admins reading this as I know I can be somewhat direct in the forums that "idiotic" was their word, not mine. Just for my peace of mind in case this comes up.) Najawin ☎ 06:18, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

Hexagora and Eddy Currents

Hi user Najawin! Would you mind creating an article on "Eddy Currents" as they are mentioned in the story Hexagora (audio story) or linking to the official wikipedia page on Eddy currents and updating the audio story wiki page? Thank you very much! DoctorQuoi ☎ 21:59, June 13, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

RE: Forum

Hey Najawin, I see it, thank you very much! Thanks for catching my comment to Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived. It seems so obvious but I keep forgetting where everything is! I'm a bit of a slow person when it comes to figuring these things out, and given the strict policy for editing articles, I'm just being very cautious. I will go and ask the forum now. DoctorQuoi ☎ 23:07, June 15, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Re: Original Mammoths

I see what you mean, but I'm pretty damn sure of this one; he owns the Original Mammoths in the same way that Penswick owns "the Yssgaroth", if you will. Beyond my own private contacts with him (hint, hint), we have an already-released, outright source for this — the fact that Arcbeatle licensed them from him for White Canvas. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 09:07, June 21, 2020 (UTC)

Right! FWIW I don't believe Miles owns them anymore — I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that he genuinely sold the rights to the whole FP shebang to Obverse. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 09:23, June 21, 2020 (UTC)

Forum posts

Hi I don't really know how to make this any clearer, and you are definitely not the only one who does this, but you must stop interpreting other people's comments. If you have a question about what someone said, ask directly (either in the forum or on their talk page if it's off-topic). But please stop assigning meaning to people's comments. Maybe you don't realize that our forums attract a lot of new users who don't know policy, and there's no way to tell on a forum who is/isn't an admin; and the last thing we need is for new users to misunderstand something said in the forums, take it as policy, and edit accordingly. Thanks Shambala108 ☎ 17:03, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Assume Good Faith

Please do not accuse me of having not read a page, if you think I have made a mistake educate me - do not bluntly state that I should "actually read the page". This does not require a reply. Thank you. DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎ 01:40, July 22, 2020 (UTC)

1.2 Formatting

Okay, but... if an article is going to be updated anyway to reflect information that comes from content being released, then keeping an article of something that's not been released yet in the past tense feels like an awfully lazy way of taking that approach. This is literally the only wiki I've seen that does that, and the editing base of this wiki isn't that small. It would be more conducive to put in a template on an article of yet-to-be-released content saying "this thing isn't out yet" or "this is about material that has not been released" so it can be removed and the article accordingly updated than to have a completely ridiculous looking "this was released in August of 2043." --TenCents (talk to me!) 21:00, July 24, 2020 (UTC)

And I'm noticing there's nothing on that article that indicates anything about material yet-to-be-released. It's mostly about describing actors and stuff written in the present tense. Applying past tense to something that isn't even out yet isn't something that's touched on there. --TenCents (talk to me!) 21:08, July 24, 2020 (UTC)

Re:TLV/Edge of Time

It works the other way around. We don't add the speculation that there's a connection and only remove it if it proves not to be true. We keep it out because it's unconfirmed and only add it if it does prove to be true. The sequels and the tie-in content are mentioned in two different contexts in the news item. Claiming a connection without confirmation is unsupported. Wiki content is meant to be verified, not speculative, which means it's better to not include things that may/will later be confirmed than to include things that are unconfirmed and may prove false. -- Noneofyourbusiness ☎ 23:32, July 27, 2020 (UTC)

I don't misunderstand you. The Edge of Time has the original storyline that it launched with, and then it will also have some story updates related to the event. Like collaboration events in Final Fantasy XIV, which are discrete from the main storyline. The trilogy of experiences will most likely only relate to the Edge of Time's original story. At least, the main storyline is all that we know for sure the other games will relate to, and thus all we can state with certainty on the wiki. There is no inference connecting the sequel games to a continuation of the event-related story content to be drawn from the language in the news article. That's what makes it speculation to claim that they will relate. What you didn't realize is that the entire Edge of Time story is not part of the TLV event, only the particular tie-in story updates in question. So being a connected trilogy with Edge of Time does not in itself make the other games part of TLV. -- Noneofyourbusiness ☎ 23:52, July 28, 2020 (UTC)

If the TLV-related story updates to The Edge of Time are only sidequests, as seems likely, then the other two games should not be mentioned on the Time Lord Victorious page unless they relate to those particular sidequests, even under Notes, because they're not relevant to the TLV event unless they do. So standard procedure is that we wait and see before mentioning them on the page so as not to jump the gun. If something happens like "Artemisia in Sequel Game 2 refers to the Conquest of the Trowellians, which occurred in the Time Lord Victorious sidestory added to The Edge of Time", that would be appropriate to put under Notes on the TLV page, because it wouldn't be directly part of the event but it would be relevant. -- Noneofyourbusiness ☎ 00:24, July 29, 2020 (UTC)

Again, the other games synergizing with The Edge of Time does not mean they synergize with Time Lord Victorious. It is not noteworthy until we know they do. Everything The Edge of Time-related is not Time Lord Victorious-related by definition. Their stories may have nothing to do with the TLV sidequests. Which would only make them connected to something that's connected to TLV, not directly connected like the cover reference you mentioned is a direct reference. However, I have revised the language to one that I think will satisfy you and is completely accurate, albeit trivia at this stage. -- Noneofyourbusiness ☎ 00:54, July 29, 2020 (UTC)

That wording emphasizes the Edge of Time experiential aspect. That's not in dispute. You're still getting hung up on equating The Edge of Time with Time Lord Victorious. The Edge of Time quests that have already been released (about The First) are not part of TLV, and if the other games only form a trilogy of experiences about The First they won't be either. Anyway, I'm glad we agree on the article now. This way it makes only confirmed statements. -- Noneofyourbusiness ☎ 01:23, July 29, 2020 (UTC)

Mary Celeste

I have just corrected the reference to the name of the Mary Celeste, and notice that you appear to have restored the incorrect name. The name of the ship described on this site, and as depicted in the TV episode, was Mary Celeste. It was a real ship, and Mary Celeste was its name in real life. Marie Celeste was the name of a fictional ship in a short story written by Arthur Conan Doyle. Doyle's story was based on the true events surrounding the disappearance of Mary Celeste's crew, but he added a great deal of imagined detail and (probably accidentally) named the ship Marie Celeste. As the Oxford Dictionary says, "the form Marie Celeste was popularized by an account written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in 1884, and is now commoner in allusive use." This site ought not to perpetuate this misunderstanding.

It cannot be a case of Mary and Marie being of equal validity, since Marie Celeste didn't existe. I suggest the imaginary name be removed. 109.156.71.8^{talk to me} 20:41, August 14, 2020 (UTC)

User:109, please read T:NO RW, Tardis:In-universe perspective and Talk:Mary Celeste. Please understand that the people who have been editing this wiki for several years have reasons for doing the things the way we do, and if you're not sure why something is done the way it is, ask an admin please and thank you Shambala108 ☎ 01:36, August 15, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Spoiler policy

Nasty thing, isn't it, to try and talk about spoilery stuff without using the spoilers?

Well, let's try to answer it in the same manner, and hope it works. Firstly, our spoiler policy applies only to the content we put it on the pages. So, if what you want is to use [link X] as a source to [Thing 1] but [link X] also has spoilers for [Thing 2], just don't mention [Thing 2] in our articles, and it's 100% okay.

Now, the more troublesome thing is if you want to talk about [Thing 2] in the [Thing 1] page. I'm not entirely sure if there is a precedent for this (other than, maybe, List of future releases, but that is a given ;p).

Before I give you an final answer, could you hand me the link, so I can also see what you're referring to? (Again, really hard to do this without breaking spoilers; I guess the "safe" way of doing so is: add it as a <ref>link</ref> somewhere on List of future releases or List of future Big Finish releases, and let me know when you edit). OncomingStorm12th ☎ 22:53, August 14, 2020 (UTC)

To be honest, for now, I'd keep this only on the page of the multi media series, because that is the focus of the article, really. Luckily, the url itself wouldn't contain spoilers for the other release. If I was to add it, I would put it phrased as something like "Producer James Goss confirmed that, despite the [character] being a focal part of the series, [actor] will not be taking part in it." (though this information has already been confirmed in a BF podcast, which we could use instead as a source).

As I see it, the article is not that relevant to the [BF news], and is there more to give context to why [actor] won't be in [multi media release]; but sadly it'll be a while till we're able to describe it fully. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 00:36, August 15, 2020 (UTC)

Huh, that is a weird one. Well, to keep it short: yeah, best to wait until it is "released". If the thread deems it a story, it'd retroactively mean we've been discussing an unreleased story, after all :p

But, from what we can see in the source, I'd personally say that, if we must deem it a story, we can push that it is a short story, but rather than being published on an anthology or on the web, that it was "published" on a T-shirt. But anyway, best to wait until the thing actually becomes purchasable. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 01:06, August 24, 2020 (UTC)

IP user

Hi I just wanted to explain why I responded to the IP user on your talk page above about the Mary Celeste issue. I don't know if you're aware of this, but non-registered users don't get notifications when messages are left on their "talk pages" , and sometimes their IP number changes over time, so we've learned it's futile to answer them there. Since he/she left a message on your talk page (and the same on mine), I responded on both yours and mine so hopefully he will see it. Thanks Shambala108 ☎ 01:38, August 15, 2020 (UTC)

re:Template:McKee

I don't think there's a problem there that needs addressing. Sure, I goofed up by forgetting something from a few years ago, but no one's really complained about anything, nor have the admins messaged me about it. I'm just chalking this up to something that happened due to human error until an admin makes inquires on my account and I have to explain my mistake to them.BananaClownMan ☎ 16:23, August 23, 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi please note that it is against policy to edit other editors' user pages (specifically Tardis:Vandalism policy, though to be clear I am not accusing you of vandalism here). So while your efforts to remove vandalism from User:CzechBot are appreciated, in the future please just let an admin know when/if a user page or user talk page has been vandalized. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 02:10, August 24, 2020 (UTC)

Image Policies

Hello, just some question; why is Nobody No-One image against image policies? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by FantasticCatGuy (talk • contribs) .

Celestial Toyroom Documentary Image

Hey Najawin, thanks for doing the image copyright for me for The Celestial Toyroom. I think I've figured it out, once you upload an image you have to go to its page and edit the "About" section and put in "= = Licensing = = { { screenshot } }" (the spaces are because I don't know how to input the full line but disable reading it as such). Thank you so much for being on stand-by, hopefully this won't happen again! DoctorQuoi ☎ 20:12, August 31, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Re: Licensing

Thanks again Najawin with the helpful suggestions! When you mention the adding a license with screenshots, do you mean when using the visual editor and uploading a photo how it lets you mark it with a license? I noticed that it works fine when I upload Character Options action figures toy photos, I just license it under the CO one from the drop-down menu in the visual editor and it works fine but when I do it for BBC screenshots it doesn't work/load for some reason. I don't know. Any suggestion? Otherwise I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually myself. Cheers! DoctorQuoi ☎ 20:27, August 31, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Hah, hearing the word "bizarre" coming from you, who seems to have a good handle on the going-ons of this wiki is slightly frightening to me! XD I'm sure I'll figure it out. Thanks again anyway! DoctorQuoi ☎ 20:34, August 31, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

RE: Vandalism

Thanks for letting me know. I think I got everything now, including the page moves.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 05:15, September 6, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Formatting

Hm… never seen anything like it, certainly. You can always ask an admin, but I wouldn't advise it, even if it's a very clever arrangement. The "regular" Wiki way would simply be to do it with subsections, I'd say. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 09:02, September 7, 2020 (UTC)

Yes, good idea!

As for the concerns with temporal priority — in your place, I'd explain the simultaneous nature of "Throughline A" and "Throughline B" in the lead, so that the reader knows where they're standing. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 09:13, September 7, 2020 (UTC)