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Moffat said that one of his old friends was supposed to give a nod to the regeneration limit. Did anyone see anything of the sort in the entire series? Could it have been edited out? The only thing I can think of is this. It was the Dream Lord. If he was the Valeyard, then that would mean that the Tenth's aborted regeneration counted, and Smith's regeneration will be his twelfth. This would explain how the Dream Lord was created in the first place. Does anyone have any other ideas, or know? The Thirteenth Doctor 23:18, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
Surely with the previous doctor sequences to the Atraxi and the Daleks focusing on all previous incarnations and therefore confirming McGann counts as no. 8 (even if it was american tripe imho!), then in the Lodger head bang sequence where Smith states he is the 11th... surely this does away with all the apparant squabbling in the classic series era about whether or not Hartnel as our 1st doctor had or had not previously regenerated. Makes perfect sense to me and I confess I'm not up on Classic Who! 86.26.137.154 07:55, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
Didn't the Five Doctors already confirm that the 1st was indeed the 1st. The fifth Doctor referred to himself as the fourth regeneration. TemporalSpleen 08:59, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm sure the Five Doctors confirmed it. I don't think it is the number of Doctors there have been, that has been shown before. When he said regeneration limit, most people would assume it is to do with the twelve regenerations limit that he has. If it was just that Matt is the eleventh, I'll be sorely disappointed. The Thirteenth Doctor 09:15, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
Maybe Moffat means because this Doctor was created from Amy's imagination, he is the first incarnation of a new Doctor, so he still has another 12 to go. In other words, did he get reset back to 1 ? 187.112.18.121 10:13, June 28, 2010 (UTC)