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::::: Since people do not recall the Silence as soon as they take their eyes off of them, we have no way of knowing how many times The Doctor has viewed them in his earlier incarnations. We only know the incidents that have been included in the Series 6 narrative. I'm sure that the novels and comics will have additional encounters. [[User:Badwolff|Badwolff]] [[User talk:Badwolff|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:34, May 31, 2013 (UTC) | ::::: Since people do not recall the Silence as soon as they take their eyes off of them, we have no way of knowing how many times The Doctor has viewed them in his earlier incarnations. We only know the incidents that have been included in the Series 6 narrative. I'm sure that the novels and comics will have additional encounters. [[User:Badwolff|Badwolff]] [[User talk:Badwolff|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:34, May 31, 2013 (UTC) | ||
:::::: That's actually true of a lot of enemies in Doctor Who because we know he has adventures that aren't shared with us. The Silence's particular characteristic doesn't mean we can treat them differently from other characters we talk about.[[Special:Contributions/81.109.164.2|81.109.164.2]]<sup>[[User talk:81.109.164.2#top|talk to me]]</sup> 12:56, June 1, 2013 (UTC) | |||
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::: Perhaps this statement means that while the storyline continues into the 50th Anniversary episode, that the action leaves Trenzalor, the TARDIS tomb and the Doctor's timestream and the story goes in a different direction, to a different location while, at the same time, working towards resolving some loose threads. Of course, even in the two-parter, [[The Impossible Astronaut (TV story)]] and [[Day of the Moon (TV story)]] there were 3 months between events in the first part and the second part. But they were both set in the U.S. [[User:Badwolff|Badwolff]] [[User talk:Badwolff|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:51, May 27, 2013 (UTC) | ::: Perhaps this statement means that while the storyline continues into the 50th Anniversary episode, that the action leaves Trenzalor, the TARDIS tomb and the Doctor's timestream and the story goes in a different direction, to a different location while, at the same time, working towards resolving some loose threads. Of course, even in the two-parter, [[The Impossible Astronaut (TV story)]] and [[Day of the Moon (TV story)]] there were 3 months between events in the first part and the second part. But they were both set in the U.S. [[User:Badwolff|Badwolff]] [[User talk:Badwolff|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:51, May 27, 2013 (UTC) | ||
:::: I hope it's not like The Impossible Astronaut. Stephen Moffat seems to be expecting us to fill out a lot of holes in that three months which we don't really have the authority or information to do. The Name Of The Doctor ended with Clara unconscious and both her and the Doctor stuck in a collapsing timestream. Imagine how much of an anticlimax it would be if getting out turned out to be as easy as walking through a door marked "exit".[[Special:Contributions/81.109.164.2|81.109.164.2]]<sup>[[User talk:81.109.164.2#top|talk to me]]</sup> 12:56, June 1, 2013 (UTC) | |||
BioniclesaurKing4t2, "if the Whisper Men were empty shells to start with": In ''[[Clarence and the Whispermen]]'', which is available online [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvZMSrktskw here], they say, "We are not men, we are the Intelligence." That strongly suggests they're not even empty shells but projections -- albeit tangible ones -- & have no existence at all except what the GI gives them. Whether they were solely for "the purpose of Trenzalore" or not is another question. The GI might have used them for other purposes that we've not seen -- not that it matters much, unless we eventually do see them used for something else. Since the GI has supposedly now been destroyed in the process of corrupting the Doctor's timestream, we may not see them again, except maybe in flashback. (That'd be a pity, because they're rather effective monsters.) --[[Special:Contributions/89.241.75.103|89.241.75.103]]<sup>[[User talk:89.241.75.103#top|talk to me]]</sup> 10:54, May 28, 2013 (UTC) | BioniclesaurKing4t2, "if the Whisper Men were empty shells to start with": In ''[[Clarence and the Whispermen]]'', which is available online [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvZMSrktskw here], they say, "We are not men, we are the Intelligence." That strongly suggests they're not even empty shells but projections -- albeit tangible ones -- & have no existence at all except what the GI gives them. Whether they were solely for "the purpose of Trenzalore" or not is another question. The GI might have used them for other purposes that we've not seen -- not that it matters much, unless we eventually do see them used for something else. Since the GI has supposedly now been destroyed in the process of corrupting the Doctor's timestream, we may not see them again, except maybe in flashback. (That'd be a pity, because they're rather effective monsters.) --[[Special:Contributions/89.241.75.103|89.241.75.103]]<sup>[[User talk:89.241.75.103#top|talk to me]]</sup> 10:54, May 28, 2013 (UTC) | ||
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:The Snowmen seemed to be made of snow that had a real material existence. The Wisper Men (or Whispermen) seem not to be made of any actual material. To me, it just seems as if the Great Intelligence has got better at it & no longer needs to use pre-existing material. Apart from that, though, I'd say they are the same. --[[Special:Contributions/89.241.75.178|89.241.75.178]]<sup>[[User talk:89.241.75.178#top|talk to me]]</sup> 22:26, May 28, 2013 (UTC) | :The Snowmen seemed to be made of snow that had a real material existence. The Wisper Men (or Whispermen) seem not to be made of any actual material. To me, it just seems as if the Great Intelligence has got better at it & no longer needs to use pre-existing material. Apart from that, though, I'd say they are the same. --[[Special:Contributions/89.241.75.178|89.241.75.178]]<sup>[[User talk:89.241.75.178#top|talk to me]]</sup> 22:26, May 28, 2013 (UTC) | ||
::The Whisper Men were let down by the fact they turned out to be merely manifestations of the G.I. They were introduced very like classic ghosts from a Victoria era ghost story then lost all theeir menace when they were defeated simply by the G.I. ending its self. They can come back of course because now they're in people's heads as an idea. They could also turn out to be real beings that couldn't fight the Great Intelligence or even real beings the Great Intelligence copied. Many explanations are possible if Moffat wishes to revive them.[[Special:Contributions/81.109.164.2|81.109.164.2]]<sup>[[User talk:81.109.164.2#top|talk to me]]</sup> 12:56, June 1, 2013 (UTC) | |||
@[[User:Badwolff|Badwolff]], if the seires ended on a cliffhanger, then '''technically''' there were no two-parters ''in'' the series. Call it semantics, call it a play on words, call it misleading even, but it was technically accurate. 06:24, May 29, 2013 (UTC) | @[[User:Badwolff|Badwolff]], if the seires ended on a cliffhanger, then '''technically''' there were no two-parters ''in'' the series. Call it semantics, call it a play on words, call it misleading even, but it was technically accurate. 06:24, May 29, 2013 (UTC) | ||
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The problem with that, which must be '''in'''convenient for him (at least sometimes), is that he now can't stop speculation by making a statement. People simply say, "Moffat lies, so we can't rely on that," & speculate about what he's concealing. Anytime he '''needs''' to be believed, he's snookered himself. (I was 89 earlier.) --[[Special:Contributions/78.146.179.140|78.146.179.140]]<sup>[[User talk:78.146.179.140#top|talk to me]]</sup> 12:01, May 31, 2013 (UTC) | The problem with that, which must be '''in'''convenient for him (at least sometimes), is that he now can't stop speculation by making a statement. People simply say, "Moffat lies, so we can't rely on that," & speculate about what he's concealing. Anytime he '''needs''' to be believed, he's snookered himself. (I was 89 earlier.) --[[Special:Contributions/78.146.179.140|78.146.179.140]]<sup>[[User talk:78.146.179.140#top|talk to me]]</sup> 12:01, May 31, 2013 (UTC) | ||
: As far as what Stephen Moffat said, I also read in an interview that I can't remember how to find him say he wanted the 50th Anniversary to be the beginning of a new story. I can't find the interview but I suspect hat was a lie too.[[Special:Contributions/81.109.164.2|81.109.164.2]]<sup>[[User talk:81.109.164.2#top|talk to me]]</sup> 12:56, June 1, 2013 (UTC) |