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Howling:John Hurt is the Valeyard theory (view source)
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:::Sorry, I read the Valeyard page and it said regenerations. What i think is still interesting is the fact that the master says final incarnation which leaves at least a little bit of wiggle room for the doctor possibly having extra regenerations.--[[User:Drakonim|Drakonim]] [[User talk:Drakonim|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:18, June 14, 2013 (UTC) | :::Sorry, I read the Valeyard page and it said regenerations. What i think is still interesting is the fact that the master says final incarnation which leaves at least a little bit of wiggle room for the doctor possibly having extra regenerations.--[[User:Drakonim|Drakonim]] [[User talk:Drakonim|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:18, June 14, 2013 (UTC) | ||
:::: Someone posted the scene from the "Trial" on YouTube (hint: look for the truth about the Valeyard). The Master does say "somewhere between your 12th and final incarnation". Now, I don't understand why, based on this scene (granted, once in a while there would be an indication of maximum number of regenerations, from 12 to 507 to infinite), one would assume that there can only be 12 regenerations (or 13 Doctors). When I see "somewhere between A and B" I don't imagine just one point. I image an entire line, or several points. So, in my opinion "between 12th and final incarnation" is more vague than it seems to be for many, as long as we do not know what number is the "final incarnation". So, *finger crossed* I do hope we haven't seen all the Doctors (and his other personas, or "personae") yet. --[[User:Dmnc|Dmnc]] [[User talk:Dmnc|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:33, August 27, 2013 (UTC) | |||
Another problem with "Hurt is Valeyard" is that Hurt seemed as if he was forced to be the one to take the fall for making a tough decision, though one he felt was needed and perhaps justified, a feeling which might have been part of the reason he lost the name "Doctor" (either by the others deciding or even by his own decision). By contrast, the Valeyard sounds more like a pure outright "bad guy", trying to sentence the Doctor for any crime he could. I just don't see them as having the same stories, which, as you know, "we all are in the end". And as for Journey's End 10 actually being 11, he may have "spent" the regeneration energy, but would he had to have actually "used" it on ''himself'' for it to count as one of ''his'' regenerations? Another potential loophole to exploit? —[[User:BioniclesaurKing4t2|BioniclesaurKing4t2]] - [[User talk:BioniclesaurKing4t2|"Hello, I'm the Doctor.]] [[Special:Contributions/BioniclesaurKing4t2|Basically, . . . ''run''."]] 04:52, June 14, 2013 (UTC) | Another problem with "Hurt is Valeyard" is that Hurt seemed as if he was forced to be the one to take the fall for making a tough decision, though one he felt was needed and perhaps justified, a feeling which might have been part of the reason he lost the name "Doctor" (either by the others deciding or even by his own decision). By contrast, the Valeyard sounds more like a pure outright "bad guy", trying to sentence the Doctor for any crime he could. I just don't see them as having the same stories, which, as you know, "we all are in the end". And as for Journey's End 10 actually being 11, he may have "spent" the regeneration energy, but would he had to have actually "used" it on ''himself'' for it to count as one of ''his'' regenerations? Another potential loophole to exploit? —[[User:BioniclesaurKing4t2|BioniclesaurKing4t2]] - [[User talk:BioniclesaurKing4t2|"Hello, I'm the Doctor.]] [[Special:Contributions/BioniclesaurKing4t2|Basically, . . . ''run''."]] 04:52, June 14, 2013 (UTC) | ||