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It means that you tell someone something that is somewhat doubtful to some degree and can turn out to be either true or false. The Doctor telling himself to calm down to not get overly excited like when he met Shirley Bassey is not a claim. That means he once met Bassey and got extremely excited at that point as he did when encountering the ghosts. Therefore not a claim. The Doctor worried Clara had angered the ghosts as she tended to do that like when she had an argument with Gandhi. Meaning she angered Gandhi and the Doctor feared she had done the same to the ghosts. Therefore not a claim. I've noticed you like to use the word "claim", but just because it haven't been shown on-screen doesn't mean it didn't happen. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:55, October 11, 2015 (UTC) | It means that you tell someone something that is somewhat doubtful to some degree and can turn out to be either true or false. The Doctor telling himself to calm down to not get overly excited like when he met Shirley Bassey is not a claim. That means he once met Bassey and got extremely excited at that point as he did when encountering the ghosts. Therefore not a claim. The Doctor worried Clara had angered the ghosts as she tended to do that like when she had an argument with Gandhi. Meaning she angered Gandhi and the Doctor feared she had done the same to the ghosts. Therefore not a claim. I've noticed you like to use the word "claim", but just because it haven't been shown on-screen doesn't mean it didn't happen. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:55, October 11, 2015 (UTC) | ||
:Talking to himself the Doctor tells himself to calm down before getting overly excited about the ghosts, as he had once gotten that excited, namely when he met Shirley Bassey. This cannot be a claim in that matter and thus not the correct use. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:06, October 11, 2015 (UTC) | :Talking to himself the Doctor tells himself to calm down before getting overly excited about the ghosts, as he had once gotten that excited, namely when he met Shirley Bassey. This cannot be a claim in that matter and thus not the correct use. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:06, October 11, 2015 (UTC) | ||
== Re: use of "claim" == | |||
(Please note that I am leaving the same message at both [[User talk:Danniesen]] and User talk:RogerAckroydLives, just to save myself a bit of work.) | |||
Looking over the messages on your talk pages, I think I have to side with Danniesen on this one. While the use of the word "claim" may be grammatically correct, it does have a connotation that the person doing the claiming may not be telling the truth. If you look at [[Tardis:Neutral point of view]], you'll see that we try not to make value judgments about characters and their actions (we don't even call the Master or the Daleks "evil" unless we're attributing it to the Doctor or someone else). Therefore, to preserve an air of neutrality, I suggest the words "said" or "stated" as alternatives. Or in the specific example mentioned, that of Shirley Bassey, you could put in the references section something like "The Doctor mentioned Shirley Bassey", link to Bassey, and when the article is created a neutral explanation of the mention could be given. Hope this helps sort the issue out. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:40, October 11, 2015 (UTC) | |||