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 Where in the novelisation "Doctor Who and the Auton Invasion" does it make reference to the War Chief being an earlier incarnation of the Master? What chapter/page? Also, "Doctor Who and the Doomsday Weapon" has a Time Lord mention the two TARDISes being stolen by the Doctor and the Master, and reminisces about ''The War Games'', although does not explicitly state the Master was involved with that, although this implies the War Chief didn't use a TARDIS when he left Gallifrey. [[User:Steed|Steed]] [[User talk:Steed|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:38, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
+: You answered your own question (and then neutered it with bizarre speculation). The [[Keeper (Doctor Who and the Doomsday Weapon)|Keeper]] in ''[[Doctor Who and the Doomsday Weapon (novelisation)|Doctor Who and the Doomsday Weapon]]'' recalls the events of the [[War Game]]s in the same breath as he recalls [[the Doctor]] and [[the Master]] as the only two Time Lords who became bored with life on Gallifrey and ran away, stealing a timeship each. The notion that the War Chief, considered as a separate being, could have run away from Gallifrey in some ''other'' way ''and'' for another motive is just speculative loophole-abuse, on a level with assuming that [[The Doctor (The Brain of Morbius)|these]] are face of [[Morbius]]. The ''intended'' meaning is plain, and we are not to tie ourselves up in knots trying to "reconcile" contradictory accounts through this sort of tomfoolery.
+: ''Auton Invasion'' threw me for a loop until I realised someone made a mistake. ''[[Doctor Who and the Terror of the Autons (novelisation)|Doctor Who and the Terror of the Autons]]'' is what's being referred to, of course. And ''there'', we have some more very significant quotes.
+{{quote|Already he had been behind several Interplanetary Wars, always disappearing from the scene before he could be brought to justice. If ever he were caught, his fate would I be far worse than the Doctor’s exile. Once captured by the Time Lords, the Master’s life-stream would be thrown into reverse.|DWatTotA}}
+: This is, of course, the punishment feared by [[the War Chief]] in [[TV]]: ''[[The War Games (TV story)|The War Games]]'' after he tried starting an Interplanetary War. And this is immediately followed by:
+{{quote|[[Adelphi]]: "We tracked him on the Monitor. Then there was some kind of alien interference and we lost contact."<br>[[The Doctor]]: "Is his TARDIS still working?"<br>[[Adelphi]]: "I’m afraid so. He got away before it could be de- energised."<br>[[The Doctor]]: "Then he was luckier than I."|DWatTotA}}
+: Again, I think what's throwing people out for a loop is that neither of these books mention "the War Chief" by name. But the thing is that back when they were written, the notion of treating "[[The War Chief]]" as if it were a [[Elective Semantectomy|"Time Lord name"]] was simply not in the zeitgeist yet. Similarly, in its summary of the War Games affair, ''[[The Legacy of Gallifrey (short story)|The Legacy of Gallifrey]]'' is unclear on whether the War Chief is the Master, but it also doesn't use the title of "War Chief". Within ''[[The War Games (TV story)|The War Games]]'' itself, Brayshaw is "an unnamed Time Lord acting as the Aliens' [[War Chief]]", referred to as "the War Chief" in the same way that his rival is "the [[Security Chief (The War Games)|Security Chief]]". You should no more expect a follow-up to ''The War Games'' to refer to "the War Chief" as you would a follow-up to ''[[The Dæmons (TV story)|The Dæmons]]'' to take pains referencing "Victor Magister".
+: Absent the expectation for the use of "War Chief", these quotes couldn't be clearer about saying "Edward Brayshaw escaped and became the Delgado Master". And much as we accept "[[Weapon (The Eyeless)|the Weapon]]" as an alternative to "[[the Moment]]" despite the contradictions and the lack of any neatly-trimmed, quotable sentence saying "the Doctor used the Weapon to end the Time War", we must also accept that according to some accounts the War Lord's War Chief was the Master.
+: This has all been gone over many times, and was eventually resolved at [[Talk:The Master]] when the whole business of "The Monk" was rightfully disentangled from this issue. Please do not restart this discussion unless you have new evidence. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)