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 :# Use [[Ansillon]] as the page for the Time Lord of whom K'anpo was an incarnation.
 :This would let us fully incorporate ''Blood of the Time Lords'' into our coverage without deprioritizing K'anpo or the Hermit as "just a phase" or unworthy of coverage on their own merits. Just my personal proposal, but I think it would slice the Gordian knot and make our Hermit-related pages dramatically clearer. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 04:06, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
+::: I don't believe the Stranger is intended to be an identity for the hermit? The Patience story has him existing in the vicinity of a mountain on Gallifrey, but that's rather a thin argument to connect him to the Hermit. Per ''[[The Time Monster (TV story)|The Time Monster]]'' itself, ''the Doctor'' used to live in a "house halfway up that mountain", so in the wider context of who the Stranger is mysteriously meant to be…
+::: (And about the ''[[The Taking of Planet 5 (novel)|The Taking of Planet 5]]'' hermit, two questions: first, what's the in-universe evidence that he's the same as the ''Time Monsters'' hermit, aside from both being Gallifreyan hermits? And second, are we sure he ''isn't'' supposed to also be K'anpo? Which would make him and "Ansillon" different backstories for K'anpo, not just for the ''Time Monster'' hermit, which implies yet again slightly different coverage… It's like Russian dolls!)
+::: Anyway, I like the spirit of this solution, but I'd want to fine-tune it. For one thing, not every account that gives him an identity treats "the Hermit" as an actual name he went by, as opposed to him simply being a small-H hermit, so while I do see the aesthetic appeal of [[The Hermit]], I think the page should really be at [[Hermit (The Time Monster)]], which will also be more immediately legible.
+::: And I'm not sure about putting the [[Kevin Lindsay]] K'anpo (who is of course a distinct entity from the Watcher-like projection [[Cho Je]]!) on the same page as the K'anpo we see the most of in ''[[Planet of the Spiders (TV story)|Planet of the Spiders]]''. The current titles are messy, but consider: if accounts seem to gravitate towards the idea that Ansillon/the Hermit/etc. only used the "K'anpo" name for a subfraction of his lives, rather than K'anpo having been his original name on Gallifrey — well — it strikes me that it's more speculative than not to say that any incarnations prior to [[George Cormack]] used the name K'anpo. Which frees us up to call Cormack [[First K'anpo]] (or [[K'anpo I]], whatever) and Lindsay [[Second K'anpo]]/[[K'anpo II]]. Which seems perfectly sensible to me.
+::: Oh, and I also think that although the [[Hermit (The Time Monsters)]] page should contain all the "hermit on the mountain" material, it should also be duplicated at [[Ansillon]], much as [[Ferain]]'s page duplicates the information from ''Genesis'' that is also present, "unattributed", at [[Time Lord messenger (Genesis of the Daleks)]].
+::: But lest this look like negation by a hundred papercuts, I agree with the fundamental idea of making Ansillon an "overall Time Lord" sort of page, treating the K'anpo page(s) as incarnations, and of making a separate "accounts-overview" page for the Hermit's identities; it's about time we acknowledged the [[Azmael]] connection. So my proposal:
+:::# [[Hermit (The Time Monster)]] will house a copy of all information about "the hermit on the mountain", as well as a list of the proposed identities in valid sources: Ansillon/K'anpo, [[Azmael]], and potentially the [[Hermit (The Taking of Planet 5)]].
+:::# [[Ansillon]] will be the overall Time Lord page for one of those identities, with [[K'anpo I]], [[K'anpo II]] and [[Ansillon (Blood of the Time Lords)]] as incarnation pages.  <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 12:38, 19 April 2022 (UTC)