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 : Long story short, a long time ago a bunch of editors who never read the books decided they didn't have any licensed elements in them bar an appearance of [[Panda]] in a later book so it couldn't be covered, which they would've realised was completely incorrect if they had just, funnily enough, read the books.
 : So now ''we're'' lumbered with doing a new inclusion debate to fix the previous one. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 14:30, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
+::Ha! Shall I start a debate in [[Forum:Inclusion debates|Inclusion debates]]? [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|📢]]  14:32, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
+:::I'd hold off on that. A: You have to have read a book to start an inclusion debate. B: Last time we discussed it Epsilon compared it to ''[[Phoenix Court (series)|Phoenix Court]]'' iirc, which means there are some... nuances. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:25, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
+:::: Aye, we have to contend with the 1999 audio drama version of ''[https://magrsverse.miraheze.org/wiki/Never_the_Bride_%28audio_story%29 Never the Bride]'' which gets into the whole ''Phoenix Court'' pickle. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 17:52, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
+:::::Ah yes, good point. I'll get round to reading them when I've got the time (which probably means in a couple of months, I'm insanely busy at the moment). But we surely wouldn't be covering them due to featuring Brenda and Effie themselves, but due to featuring the elements introduced in Mad Dogs and Englishmen? [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|📢]]  19:21, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
+No, the issue is more complicated than that. There's explicit precedent that ''Phoenix Court'' doesn't count as a DWU series even with DWU elements in it. Since this series ''began'' before Magrs started working in the DWU by current rules it is, well, "grandfathered out", in a sense, and they're to be treated as different literary universes that cross over. See [[Thread:208795]] at [[User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates 1]]. Is this good precedent? Eh. But it's something we have to discuss before we can validate this series. We could maybe argue for R4bp, but this doesn't seem like quite what R4bp was intended for, and that would also touch on the ''Phoenix Court'' issue. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:47, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
+:: I don't fully follow. Certainly we would cover a new ''Phoenix Court'' novel that included non-Iris DWU elements without controversy, I should think. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 20:09, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
+:::I certainly think we ''should''. (And tbh, given Magrs I think it likely that people would just ignore the prior thread given clear R4 intent.) That thread was decided before B4 of Phoenix Court came out, did that include elements other than Iris? [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:29, 23 June 2023 (UTC)