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 ::# MEEP: I don't need to pretend, for I am the Beep of all the Meeps!
 :: While this doesn't give us clear pronouns to use, it contradicts the "I am always the Meep" statement. (Not to mention the soldiers calling the Meep "the Most High".) Should we believe the Meep was being truthful about chosen pronouns when the Meep was lying about everything else? [[User:LegoK9|LegoK9]] [[User talk:LegoK9|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:38, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
+== A renewed discussion on names and titles ==
+I know we've already had some form of discussion here and there on this, but I did want to finally run through this more thoroughly in terms of name for the purposes of potentially renaming this page.
+'''Meep'''
+* [1980] the original ''Doctor Who and the Star Beast'' comic - very clearly sticks to referring to this individual as the Meep. We get this from:
+: The Wrarth in Parts 1, 2 & 4-5
+: Parts 2-4's recap text saying "A mysterious alien - known as 'the Meep' - has made an emergency landing"
+: description boxes in Parts 2 & 4-8.
+: Sharon in Parts 3-5 & 7.
+: In Part 4, the Fourth Doctor even says "Don't be a silly meep, Meep." He also refers to them as The Meep in Part 7, and then continues to say The Meep in Part 8.
+: Additional aside: in Parts 4-6, they think of themselves in internal thoughts as the "'Most-High'" - something they then say outright as part of remarks in Parts 7 & 8.
+: But for the matter of Beep-ery... it is in Part 6 that they say to the mind-controlled soldiers: "Hear the supreme Beep of all the Meeps", with the reply being "Hail, Beep of all the Meeps!". The drones say this again in Part 7 (alongside calling them "the Exalted One")
+* [2023] ''The Star Beast'' TV story abides solely the Meep as their name.
+* [2023] ''The Star Beast'''s novelisation maintains that of the TV story, but also includes a mock omniversal wiki page that denotes in its footnotes that "Beep was a title, a rank, not an individual's name" (You can find a full copy of this little item here: https://x.com/AMadmanNotABox/status/1732061399440912432?s=20)
+'''Unnamed'''
+* [1991] ''Party Animals'' does not name them when they drunkenly approach the Doctor and then is attacked. (though, strictly speaking, we are not told this isn't a different Meep - we've tended to assume so given Seven's lack of surprise at its presence.)
+* [2022] ''We Are Family''
+'''Beep the Meep'''
+* [1980] ''Beep the Meep gets 3000 years'' - the infamous start to this term in fandom... though there is a potential contextual note to be had on this in that this piece does get Zreeg's name wrong and says Greeg, and misspells Wrarth Warriors as Wrath Warriors.
+* [1997] ''A Matter of Life and Death'' has the court "Call Beep the Meep!" (Though, naming on mind, it is still perhaps worth noting for context that this entire court experience is a fakery inside a dreamscape of sorts. The Eighth Doctor and Izzy featured are memories conjured up by the TARDIS to stop a parasite. As this conjured Eighth Doctor says to the parasite: "All this is a simulcrum, a acorporeal manifestation created by the TARDIS".)
+* [2002] ''The Ratings War'' - named as such, to an extent that the show is called "Beep & Friends".
+'''Complicated!'''
+* [1995] ''Star Beast II'' - To keep a long tangent of my childhood short as possible - I always referred to this character growing up as "Beep the Meep" because the contents list of the Yearbook marked them as such in its synopsis. BUT the story itself is actually slightly more complicated. Though, the Fourth Doctor initially says: "What do you want, Beep?" - Fudge Higgins remarks that "It's the Meep, Jones..." and then in the projector room, the Fourth Doctor says: "The Meep's device emits black light, robbing people of their will."
+This character, themselves, doesn't name themselves at all. There's two mentions of being "a Meep", but that's it. So: the story uses both, but "the Meep" is 2:1 against "Beep".
+* [1999] ''TV Action!' - the Wrarth authorities at the start refer to them as an "unnamed fugitive", and the description boxes at this stage follow this. The Doctor calls them "Beep the Meep", Izzy calls them "Meep", but they only self-refer as "the Most-High".
+And, as far as I understand it, ''Who on Earth is... Beep the Meep'' and the ''Lost in Time dating profile'' do not readily apply to this conversation as invalid sources.
+Which only leaves the audio adaptation of the original comic for someone to examine... but at the moment, it seems rather likely to me that in terms of occurrences and usages that this page should in-fact be at '''The Meep''' with a redirect on "Beep the Meep". Interested to hear the thoughts of others on this. <br><span style="background:purple; border:1px solid #777777; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-size:.9em;'''<!---moz-border-radius:1ex;--> border-radius-topleft:1ex;border-top-left-radius:1ex; border-bottom-left-radius:1ex; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:0ex; -moz-border-radius-topright:0ex;">[[User:JDPManjoume|<span style="color:white> JDPManjoume </span>]]'''<span style=background:black;padding:2px;color:#f2f3f4>Regular Editor</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:JDPManjoume|<font color="#ffffff" title="Talk to me">☎</font>]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/JDPManjoume|<font color="#ffffff" title="See what I've been up to">✍</font>]]</span>     <span style="border: 1px solid #2f2cb8; padding:1px; border-radius-topright:1ex;border-top-right-radius:1ex; border-bottom-right-radius:1ex; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:0ex; -moz-border-radius-topleft:0ex; background-color:#ececec; color:#2f2cb8;font-size:.88em;font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Gadget, 'Arial Rounded MT Bold','Abadi MT Condensed Extra Bold','Gill Sans Ultra Bold','Arial Black',sans-serif;"> 18:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC)