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:::And I just think that's a more truthful and useful summary of the facts, for a lead section, than exclusively citing Bad Wolf-era sources and sanding away the sharp edges. "The Pantheon, and Sutekh's involvement in it, is one big retcon trying together various disparate bits-and-bobs of continuity, and leaving a lot of questions unsanswered" is precisely what I meant to convey in that lead; I think it's what the lead ''should'' convey. | :::And I just think that's a more truthful and useful summary of the facts, for a lead section, than exclusively citing Bad Wolf-era sources and sanding away the sharp edges. "The Pantheon, and Sutekh's involvement in it, is one big retcon trying together various disparate bits-and-bobs of continuity, and leaving a lot of questions unsanswered" is precisely what I meant to convey in that lead; I think it's what the lead ''should'' convey. | ||
:::Finally, I'll leave my interpretation which is certainly not definitive enough for Wikification, but seems to me relatively straightforward and side-steps the logical quibbles raised by the both of you. I think the idea is that Sutekh, having evolved into godhood while riding the TARDIS, ''founded the Pantheon'' '''''from there''''' (either recruiting or, if we must, ''siring'', other god-things along the way). If he could create Susans while staying put, why could he not spawn deities and scatter them through Time and Space, or, even more simply, communicate with preexisting deities and bully them into swearing fealty to him? | :::Finally, I'll leave my interpretation which is certainly not definitive enough for Wikification, but seems to me relatively straightforward and side-steps the logical quibbles raised by the both of you. I think the idea is that Sutekh, having evolved into godhood while riding the TARDIS, ''founded the Pantheon'' '''''from there''''' (either recruiting or, if we must, ''siring'', other god-things along the way — but my money's on recruiting, which tallies with Mr Smith describing the Pantheon as a "coalition"). If he could create Susans while staying put, why could he not spawn deities and scatter them through Time and Space, or, even more simply, communicate with preexisting deities and bully them into swearing fealty to him? | ||
:::(Much as I dislike stable causal loops in my ''Doctor Who'', the fact that it was Hartnell who met the Toymaker doesn't seem much of a factor. If he wasn't a Pantheon member yet, then he was simply recruited later; but even if we stick with the premise that we are to read the Toymaker as having already been a Pantheon member in his debut, it wouldn't be [[Silence in the Library (TV story)|the only time the Doctor encountered the child of someone he hadn't met yet]].) | :::(Much as I dislike stable causal loops in my ''Doctor Who'', the fact that it was Hartnell who met the Toymaker doesn't seem much of a factor. If he wasn't a Pantheon member yet, then he was simply recruited later; but even if we stick with the premise that we are to read the Toymaker as having already been a Pantheon member in his debut, it wouldn't be [[Silence in the Library (TV story)|the only time the Doctor encountered the child of someone he hadn't met yet]].) | ||