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: From what the Doctor said to Amy (i.e., Ganger-Amy), it '''cannot '''have been an accident that she was there. Rory's presence might have been incidental -- the Doctor needed to have Amy with him and couldn't do that without Rory being there, too -- but even that's dubious, considering what happened at the end. This is obviously a case of Rule 1 in operation: "The Doctor lies." As has been remarked on elsewhere, in this season especially, 11 is behaving very like 7. Even the scene in ''The God Complex ''with Amy and young Amelia, where he undermines Amy's faith in him, has a close parallel with the scene in ''The Curse of Fenric'', where he undermines Ace's faith in him. The technique is different -- with Ace, he was far more brutal (and had to be) -- but in both cases, he's doing it to protect them. Amy's faith was making her "food" for the Minotaur; Ace's faith was preventing the Ancient Hæmovore from taking out Fenric, who was the real threat. Although the companions (Ace and Amy) are very different personalities, both do fairly quickly understand that, paradoxically, the Doctor's destruction of their faith in him is actually evidence that that faith is well grounded. We've not yet seen how Amy's relationship with the Doctor will develop after that but, with Ace, we saw (in ''Survival'') that she and the Doctor were, if anything, closer afterwards. --[[Special:Contributions/78.146.178.98|78.146.178.98]] 13:27, September 20, 2011 (UTC) | : From what the Doctor said to Amy (i.e., Ganger-Amy), it '''cannot '''have been an accident that she was there. Rory's presence might have been incidental -- the Doctor needed to have Amy with him and couldn't do that without Rory being there, too -- but even that's dubious, considering what happened at the end. This is obviously a case of Rule 1 in operation: "The Doctor lies." As has been remarked on elsewhere, in this season especially, 11 is behaving very like 7. Even the scene in ''The God Complex ''with Amy and young Amelia, where he undermines Amy's faith in him, has a close parallel with the scene in ''The Curse of Fenric'', where he undermines Ace's faith in him. The technique is different -- with Ace, he was far more brutal (and had to be) -- but in both cases, he's doing it to protect them. Amy's faith was making her "food" for the Minotaur; Ace's faith was preventing the Ancient Hæmovore from taking out Fenric, who was the real threat. Although the companions (Ace and Amy) are very different personalities, both do fairly quickly understand that, paradoxically, the Doctor's destruction of their faith in him is actually evidence that that faith is well grounded. We've not yet seen how Amy's relationship with the Doctor will develop after that but, with Ace, we saw (in ''Survival'') that she and the Doctor were, if anything, closer afterwards. --[[Special:Contributions/78.146.178.98|78.146.178.98]] 13:27, September 20, 2011 (UTC) | ||
70, you misunderstand me. I wasn't talking about the so called accident that caused the TARDIS to land there, I was talking about the later accident that caused the Gangers to become independant. The Doctor didn't need Amy to be htere. His plan was to go there by himself, scan the flesh, pick up Amy and Rory, and then deactivate Am's ganger, but a he said the TARDIS crashed on Earth before he intended to land and then the gangers became indepnedant(the stuff and shenanigans that he was talking about). He does actually seem a bit like seven. I havent't seen a lot of the Seventh's Doctor's earlier episodes, but didn't he start out as more of a comedic Doctor before he became the more serious manipulative one. There is also one major difference between this episode and ''Curse of Fenric''. From what I remember from ''Curse of Fenric'', which may be one of the most confusing episodes in the show's history next to ''Ghostlight'', the Doctor made Ace lose her faith in him by acting like a jerk and acting like he didn't care about her, before telling her he was lyuing. In ''The God Complex'' the Doctor was very sincere when he told Amy that he didn't deserve her faith (just look at his earlier conversation with Rita). The Doctor realizes that he's screwed up Amy and Rory's lives and he feels guilty about it, though he wouldn't necessarily have admitted it to Amy if he didn't need to to stop the Minotaur.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 18:52, September 20, 2011 (UTC) | |||