User talk:Affirmation

Block

Welcome to the wiki! Unfortunately, I had to temporarily block you for your edits. "{{PAGENAME}}" serves a technical purpose on the wiki, and is not a mistake. For example, on the date pages, it's used to avoid displaying things on the page under special circumstances.

You made over a thousand edits that had to be undone. In the future, if you think you see an issue affecting so many pages, bring it up on the forums or ask about it on my talk page. Please leave a message on my talk page to let me know you've received this. P&P talk contribs 12:13, May 31, 2016 (UTC)

I apologize for mass editing like that. I will not do it again. You could have just asked me to stop and I would have, rather than blocking me.

I thought that the {{PAGENAME}} was not necessary, because the actual name of the page could have been used instead. {{raw:w:papi}} 22:53, May 31, 2016 (UTC)

As the person who had to undo most of your edits, I want to stress that PicassoAndPringles was entirely justified in blocking you to stop you from editing. You somehow managed to make almost 1500 edits in the space of an hour and a half, removing something that was absolutely not a mistake. Most of your edits were on date or day pages, on which you ignored the warning messages not to edit below a certain line. I can see missing the notice on the first few edits, but at over a thousand edits, it's almost unrealistic that you didn't even see the message.

I will stress what PicassoAndPringles told you: if you think something is wrong, ask an admin first. You can find a list of current admins at Tardis:Administrators. As you are a brand new user, you are not aware of many things that we do on this wiki. I strongly suggest you take your editing more slowly, and spend a lot of time browsing the different types of pages we have.

And lastly, instead of complaining that PicassoAndPringles blocked you, you should be thanking her for only making the block last a day. The kind of editing you did, and the insanely huge amount of it, could have earned you a permanent ban for violating Tardis:Vandalism policy. PicassoAndPringles was extremely generous with you. Shambala108 ☎ 04:40, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

I used a bot, which was supposed to correct small and generic mistakes. The bot likely replaces any {{PAGENAME}} with the actual name of the page. I did not see any warning, because I did not edit the pages manually. I realize that I should have discussed this beforehand, and for that, I apologize. I realize that the edits which I made were in mistake and that this is not a good way of introducing myself. {{raw:w:papi}} 04:45, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Please do not ever use a bot on this wiki again. Special permission is required to use a bot on this wiki, and only two users, both of whom are admins, are permitted to use a bot on this wiki. I'm not even sure how you were able to use a bot on this wiki, but it's something I will look into. Shambala108 ☎ 06:19, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

I will not. {{raw:w:papi}} 09:54, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

DW

Hi! There is no need for a link to Doctor Who using the abbreviation DW. Per Tardis:Neutral point of view, doing so would require doing the same thing for all other spin-offs, which will not happen because too many abbreviations would be too confusing for users unfamiliar with the spin-offs. In addition, "DW" used to be one of our story prefixes, but we simplified the system a while back, so using DW could be confusing now that we have a new prefix system. Shambala108 ☎ 04:18, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I see.

By the way, why did you create a new post on my wall page instead of replying to the post I created on your talk page? Did you not see that? {{raw:w:papi}} 04:22, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

Zygonian

Hi! What source are you getting "Zygonian" from? Shambala108 ☎ 04:30, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

"Zygonians" were a minor species which was based on the Zygons in a non-Doctor Who video game. If the redirect page is not fitting for that purpose, you can delete it.
――PapíDimmi (talk | contribs) 04:33, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

Please in the future, when someone messages you on your talk page, respond on their talk page. I'm sure you've noticed, when someone places a message on your page, you get a little notification at the bottom of the screen as well as an email notice. If you answer someone on your own talk page, they will not get that notification. I didn't realize that you answered this message right away because you didn't leave it on my talk page.

As for Zygonian, please do not ever create a page of any kind for something not related to the Doctor Who universe. If "Zygonian" is not mentioned anywhere in the DWU, we have no interest in it here on this wiki. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎ 14:19, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

It is a rule that we've had on this wiki for ages. It does cause confusion for new users, but many people open a second window so they can see the message to which they are replying.

Your method of following every page you edit works for you, but I have over 91,000 edits on this wiki, and most people who edit user talk pages also have thousands of edits, so it wouldn't be practical. I think your way probably works on smaller, less frequented wikis, but on this one, you get used to our way pretty quickly.

If you are having a conversation with multiple users, you would just leave a message on each of their pages, but sometimes an issue like this involving many users would be moved to the forums instead.

Hope this helps! Shambala108 ☎ 14:41, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

As an admin, I don't have the luxury of only checking my talk page once or twice a day. I rely on my email to tell me when someone has messaged me, and that can only happen when the message is on my talk page.

As for a user talk page discussion with multiple users, I've never seen that happen in the five years I've been here. Those kinds of discussion take place on article talk pages, where people are required to leave their names, or forum posts, which automatically post the users' names.

Basically, user talk pages are for letting a user know if they've broken a policy, or asking a user a question about an edit they've made, things like that.

It does take some getting used to for new users, but it works for us and long-time users have no problems with the practice. Shambala108 ☎ 14:56, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

Other users' discussion posts

Hi! Please note that it is a violation of Tardis:Vandalism policy to edit other users' posts on article talk pages, user talk pages, and forum posts, as you did with User:CzechOut's post at Template talk:Retitle. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 00:53, July 15, 2016 (UTC)

I know, but I had to; since he or she didn’t use <nowiki></nowiki> tags around the HTML tags, it counted as actual HTML tags, which it shouldn’t’ve. I don’t see why me doing that is considered vandalism, as what I changed didn’t change anything visually.
―PapíDimmi (talk | contribs) 00:57, July 15, 2016 (UTC)

I now feel like I have to point out the following policy: Tardis:Do not disrupt this wiki to prove a point. You had a complaint about the vandalism policy, and instead of waiting for an explanation, you proceeded to do it again, this time on my talk page. Please note that the vandalism policy states that admins can occasionally edit user posts if necessary. I don't owe you an explanation, but when I edited my own talk page, I was removing a link from a page that no longer exists. This is routine housekeeping/maintenance that only admins are permitted to do. If you think there is a problem with CzechOut's post, leave a message either on his talk page or the page that contained the post. Shambala108 ☎ 01:11, July 15, 2016 (UTC)

I didn’t prove a point, but my apologies for my mistake. I saw someone editing someone else’s post and undid it.
―PapíDimmi (talk | contribs) 01:21, July 15, 2016 (UTC)

Reminder

Hi, I am going to remind you once again that you are not to edit other users' posts on talk pages, discussion pages, forum pages, user talk pages, etc. I strongly suggest you read Tardis:Vandalism policy.

As for your edits at Pear, which have been reverted by two admins: what most people don't realize is that admins are volunteers working at the wiki. It's not really our job to clean up every little mistake made by users. Instead, we are to educate users on the policies they violate. Unfortunately, if we correct the mistakes and leave an edit summary, most users will never know their mistakes were corrected. Users learn best when they have to redo their work properly. When I reverted your edit, I left the policy in the edit summary, which you apparently read, so now you know not to make that mistake. However, that was not your only mistake on the page: 1. You incorrectly put Martha Jones in place of Bernice Summerfield and 2. You somehow managed to add a second set of brackets to Bernice Summerfield. These are most likely the edits User:Doug86 was correcting.

When someone reverts your edits, and doesn't leave a reason, you did the right thing in asking. It's better, when you are a new user, to assume that there may have been a good reason for the reversion, and to ask for clarification before making the edits again. Thanks, Shambala108 ☎ 22:56, July 12, 2017 (UTC)

I fixed a formatting error which made half the page in the source editor pink. How is that vandalism?{{raw:w:papi}} 23:18, July 12, 2017 (UTC)

Categories

On this wiki, we use a nested system for categories. So, for example, category "London locations" is in category "English locations", which is in category "British locations", which is in category "European locations", which is in category "Earth locations". When choosing a category, we always use only the most specific category — anything in "London locations" would be part of the other categories as well.

In your example, Category:Shadow Proclamation is in Category:Galactic law, so there's no need to add "Galactic law" to the Shadow Proclamation page. Shambala108 ☎ 00:48, July 20, 2017 (UTC)

I see. Thanks. {{raw:w:papi/nobr}} 00:49, July 20, 2017 (UTC)

edit revisions

Ok, first of all, excuse me for not getting back to you while I was on vacation.

Second, you should know that you, in particular, are not allowed to remove the {{PAGENAME}} template after the 1500 that you wrongly removed in your earliest edits with us. Since you haven't yet grasped the differences in how that template is used, you must absolutely leave it alone.

And please make sure you read our Tardis:Spoiler policy, if you haven't already. We prefer not to link to pages that would be spoilers so that we can prevent new users from creating those pages. That is why I removed the link you made at Series 11 (Doctor Who 2005). If it's unlinked, it's less likely that a new user will try to create it, which would be a massive spoiler.

Shambala108 ☎ 00:46, August 14, 2017 (UTC)

All right. Can you explain why pages have to use the page name magic word rather than just the page name as regular text? Not using the magic word makes it easier to understand when someone is editing the page. Also, most pages seem not to use the page name, while others do, so it’s pretty inconsistent.{{raw:w:papi}} 00:53, August 14, 2017 (UTC)

I'll step in and take this one if I can. However, I'd appreciate any followup questions on user talk:CzechOut, as it's extremely unlikely I'll be back here again any time soon.

Doctor Who as a subject is prone to a number of renaming issues, perhaps more so than other intellectual properties. The writers of the DWU often name their stories after things that actually exist in the universe. So while Star Wars may have Attack of the Clones as the title of a story, the DWU has Logopolis, Castrovalva, Red and thousands of others. This often means that a page will start at one name, and then get moved to another. If we use {{PAGENAME}} as the basis for article names, then subsequent moves mean that the name on the article and in the infobox gets gracefully changed along with the move. In the end, it saves time.

Also, we tend to mass create pages occasionally with bots, as were the ones from which you deleted the PAGENAME magic word some time back. There's no other way to efficiently mass create pages without using PAGENAME.

And a number of users have set up templates in their local word processors that begin with a bit of PAGENAME magic. It shaves off a bit of typing, so we really don't mind.

Of course, you're going to find pages that don't use PAGENAME. This site is ancient in FANDOM years. So some pages that don't use PAGENAME were simply created before a number of us started doing it regularly. And sometimes we can safely assume that page names aren't going to change. Tony Bennett probably isn't going anywhere, for example. Earth is likely staying put. And a cat is a cat is a cat.

So it's not a question of inconsistency so much as an alternate way of doing things that we find useful, for one good reason or another. So, please, if you see PAGENAME, just leave it. It's really not that difficult a concept for new users to grasp, and, in time, most people come to see it as a shortcut. Especially if you've got articles with names as long as Raxacoricofallapatorian and Immediate Media Company London Limited and the Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union. Thanks!
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  21:56: Fri 18 Aug 2017

You could use a bot.{{raw:w:papi}} 21:58, August 18, 2017 (UTC)

Re: edits

I'll explain my reasons for undoing your edit, but they are a bit long.

1. First of all, "to be added" is not a complete sentence. Therefore it does not require a capital letter. If you browse a good portion of the wiki, you'll note that we don't capitalize "to be added". Your capitalization of the phrase gives the wiki an inconsistent look, which we try to avoid. There is no way you could possibly change every instance of lower-case "t", so there's no reason to do any of them. I hope that makes sense.
2. You removed a template that User:CzechOut was working on. As the most technical admin on the wiki, he tends to try out different templates on different pages; when he's done, if they're not necessary he'll remove them. That's for him to do, not another user. Given your past edit history, I'm going to suggest you don't touch any templates on the wiki. If you think one is on a page in error, ask an admin.

Thanks for your attention, Shambala108 ☎ 03:02, September 8, 2017 (UTC)

I still think that it looks better if it’s capitalized.

Anyway, I don’t understand what the point of the div and span tags are for. What do they do, exactly?

By the way, why don’t you respond on your talk page? {{raw:w:papi}} 04:25, September 8, 2017 (UTC)

1. You can think that all you want, but you can't change it for the reasons I posted above.
2. If you don't know what a tag is, why are you removing them? That's what got you into trouble in your first one thousand or so edits. Just leave the tags alone.
3. Scroll up to the section labelled "Zygonian". I've already addressed this and told you how we do things on this wiki.

Thanks, Shambala108 ☎ 14:19, September 8, 2017 (UTC)

I guess I have a hard time remembering things.

Have a nice day. {{raw:w:papi}} 17:11, September 8, 2017 (UTC)

Blocked

@Shambala108 What? I thought you linked to a page that did not exist, which is why I undid your revision. I didn’t try to “prove a point,” and I only reverted you once.

This isn’t fair! {{raw:w:papi}} 17:49, September 14, 2017 (UTC)

Block

You've been blocked for a month for violating Tardis:Do not disrupt this wiki to prove a point at Series 11 (Doctor Who 2005). I suggest you read the policy very carefully.

Tardis:Video policy is one of our most important policies. Your re-adding of the offending material, just to point out that I misspelled the policy name in the edit summary, was highly inappropriate. Admins mistype policy names all the time in edit summaries; it does not mean that users are allowed to undo the edits (and therefore violate the policy).

Shambala108 ☎ 17:58, September 14, 2017 (UTC)

I didn’t want to prove a point. I just wanted you to correct your mistake. I didn’t realize that all you did was mistakenly capitalize one letter.

I didn’t mean to disrupt the wiki, and I apologize. Can you please unblock me or at least reduce my block duration to a week? {{raw:w:papi}} 18:00, September 14, 2017 (UTC)

Please see Help:I'm blocked. Shambala108 ☎ 02:27, September 15, 2017 (UTC)

Do I really have to contact you on another wiki when we’re talking on my talk page?

Anyway, I apologize again for my revision. I didn’t intend to disrupt anything. Could you please unblock me or reduce my block duration? That’d be much appreciated. {{raw:w:papi}} 09:55, September 15, 2017 (UTC)

Can you reply? {{raw:w:papi}} 12:13, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Correct way of appealing a block

You have been informed of the correct procedure above. It involves at most one message to the blocking admin and, possibly, at most one message to another admin. By now you have left four messages already. In effect, your reaction to the block is to violate policies expressly communicated to you by an admin. Needless to say, a further violation of policies is not an efficient way to request a shortening of a block. Please, acquaint yourself with the policy relevant to your situation and adjust your behaviour accordingly. Amorkuz ☎ 13:27, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Shada

Hi! I just wanted to explain to you why the edit at TARDIS key was removed. On this wiki, we don't consider the TV version of Shada to be a valid source for in-universe articles. Basically, since it wasn't completed, it's just a big deleted scene, and we decided long ago that deleted scenes are not valid sources. For more information, please see the following policies/discussions:

• Tardis:In-universe perspective
• Tardis:Valid sources
• Forum:Are deleted scenes canon?

Thanks, Shambala108 ☎ 00:36, November 3, 2017 (UTC)

Okay. {{raw:w:papi}} 01:59, November 3, 2017 (UTC)