Talk:List of Doctor Who television stories
Enemy Within?
All right, time for our first content debate! The question: should we use the title "Enemy Within" or not? My leaning is "no", since the TV movie was never referred to by that name during its production. Segal just came up with it when a fan at Gallifrey asked for a name besides "Doctor Who". (See here for a source.) I'd suggest that instead of using Enemy Within as a title, we could use Doctor Who (TV Movie) or just TV Movie, since there's been only one and that's how it's usually referred to in fandom. Plus, if you're going by the usage on the BBC site for episode names such as "An Unearthly Child", they call it Doctor Who: The TV Movie. Other opinions? --Josiah Rowe 07:02, 22 Feb 2005 (GMT)
It may be a good idea to list the movie as "Doctor Who: The TV Movie." I now recall that "The Enemy Within" was also a working title for
"The Invisible Enemy," and that story was in fact listed as such on the sound effects LP released in the late 70s. Plus so many people refer to the Paul McGann story as just, "the TV movie," that they may not even recognize "The Enemy Within" as a story title. --Freethinker1of1 13:05, 23 Feb 2005 (GMT)
OMG I cant believe there was that many episodes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- 92.17.59.173 19:53, 4 July 2009
leave out the pilot episode?
I vote for its removal both on account of its non-canonicity and for the fact that it serves as part of another story, in a way. yes, I know the BBC official guide includes it.
- The same objections could be raised about "Shada". I say we keep the pilot in, since this is a list of stories produced for television rather than a list of events in the Doctor's life. --Josiah Rowe 22:46, 22 Feb 2005 (GMT)
television stories, more accurate than television serials
stories might make more sense. "Mission to the Unknown", "The Five Doctors" and the McGann movie all aired as self-contained stories, not serials. (well, maybe not "Mission to the Unknown" exactly...) and the Eccleston series will have mostly singleton episodes which you could not accurately call serials.
- I support the idea of moving this page to List of television stories. (But I won't do it until there's been more discussion, say, from the page creator.)
- By the way, if you type " --~~~~ ", the Wiki software will automatically create a signature for your comments. Like this: --Josiah Rowe 22:39, 22 Feb 2005 (GMT)
- I created the page, and agree with the reasons given for using "stories" instead of "serials," so "stories" it is. I mainly just wanted to avoid using "episodes," as the BBC listing does, since individual parts of some of the stories, especially the Second Doctor ones, were titled "Episode One, Episode Two, etc.," and I thought that could get confusing. Thanks for the input, guys. Great to see this wiki taking off. --Freethinker1of1 13:14, 23 Feb 2005 (GMT)
K9 and Company
Okay - who's for including K9 and Company in this list??!
--David Brider 14:48, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
- Done. It might be argued that the show shouldn't be included because the Doctor isn't in it, but then, he wasn't in "Mission to the Unknown" either, and had a very limited role in "The Tenth Planet." Plus, the show does include two companions and is considered canon by most authorities. --Freethinker1of1 19:16, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Series 1 vs Season 27
No where in any production notes is it stated that the new series produced by BBC Wales is 'Season 27', if we're going for accuracy, it should be Series 1 (etc), rather than Season 27.
Also if this whole continuing season thing was true to the production order then the 1996 TVM would need a season number as well.
Even RTD has stated that the new series is noted on all the production material as Series 1 (onwards), not season 27 (or whatever).
It should be changed, (perhaps put 'Season 27' in brackets or something, but it's not the name of that group of stories. --Tangerineduel 12:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Shrink this down?
Should we just use links to the seasons, instead of all these links to episodes making this page really long? ~ Ghelæ -talk-contribs 10:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Series 5 vs Series 1
In DWM it stated that the production team will refer to Series 5 as Series 1 to reflect the change in production team and cast, shouldn't that mean we should now change Series 5 to Series 1?
Yes, but DWA stated that they will refer to Series 5 as Series 5 due to the BBC marketing that way and DWA is produced by the BBC and not Panini.Alpha111 20:26, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
Needs Work
The wikipedia version of this article is very much superior. It has the dates, names of each individual episode, which episodes are missing, writer, and director. Please revise this page!
131.128.72.3 09:32, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
Story numbers off by one from Doctor's Daughter forward
The Doctor's Daughter is numbered as story 193. The Sontaran Stratagem and The Poison Sky are numbered as 193a and 193b. The Doctor's Daughter should be story number 194 and every story number afterwards should be incremented by one.
Video Games?
If this is a list of TELEVISION episodes then why do we have the four video games included under the eleventh doctor. Should they not be deleted? XtremeGoose 01:04, July 4, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, there should be a seperate page for the videogames. They are clearly not television stories.Icecreamdif 21:29, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
Agree that the games should be broken out into a separate article. However whilst the list is there it should include Mazes of Time for the mobiles (iOS currently, Android coming) refs http://gallifreynewsbase.blogspot.com/2010/12/dwn161210115508-mazes-of-time-apple.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/bbcworldwide/worldwidestories/pressreleases/2010/12_december/doctor_who_app.shtml http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/doctor-who-the-mazes-of-time/id404556035?mt=8 Andypiper 22:04, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
Add Series 6
Now that Series 6 (or whatever name is finally decided - the 2011 season; Matt Smith's second season as the doctor) has officially started (with the 23 April 2011 broadcast of The Impossible Astronaut in the UK/US), can we finally get it linked in to this page? Please at least link the overall season and the stories that have already aired. Thanks! 192.31.106.34 16:54, April 26, 2011 (UTC)
They most certainly are episodes.
There is no excuse for the Tenth and Eleventh Doctor charity specials to be removed. The first two clearly bridge the respective year's season finale to the Christmas special, and Space and Time hints at Amy's pregnancy in series 6.
Also, the Christmas specials are part of the full series now. Who on Earth considers them as this?
(I'd edit them myself, but I have absolutely no idea how tables work)
-- Tybort (talk page) 23:29, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
- No response after a week, re-adding them as best as I can, as well as Dreamland and The Infinite Quest. Also, removed the numbering that started from Rose. Rose isn't the first episode, so why would we label that as "1"? It's clearly called the 157th serial on its page and it's not a reboot. -- Tybort (talk page) 20:29, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
I apologize for not replying; I just read this right now. The reason I took the charity specials out is because they're less than 10 minutes long, so they don't really count as actual episodes. I actually meant to put them back in the bottom into the "Other" category with the other Children in Need special, but I forgot about it, so thanks for reminding me.
Now, onto the episode numbering. You're completely right about the specials not being a part of any given series, but I didn't want the list to have all of these small tables in between every large one like on Wikipedia's list. Since the specials are part of the canon, I have them numbered off as episodes that are part of the show, but they are not included in the series numbering. That way, newer fans will know that they aren't just extra episodes and that they're part of the actual canon.
The reason I started a new numbering is because it is a new show. The show hadn't aired since 1986, the serial format was completely changed, the entire staff was replaced, and it was catered to a new audience. Even the official BBC site splits it up into Classic Who and New Who which is why they started off with "Series 1" instead of "Season 27". While I'm not denying that both shows, along with the TV Movie, exist in the same continuity, they are still different shows. There is no point in continuing the serial numbering in the new series when it was abandoned for the episode system. Also, I plan on adding episode tables for the Classic show as well. GamingBuddha 07:18, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
Missing Episode Key
I'm just curious at to how this appears to others?
In Firefox 12.0, the pink color shows on the key, but for partially missing, I only see the blue-with-faded-corner (visually matches backgrounds on "Serial", "001", etc.). In IE 9.0.6, I don't see either color on the key (both blue-faded-on-edge and match the "Serial", "001", etc.).
In the story-list itself, the pink and yellow backgrounds appear.
Anyway, I'm not sure if it's just me or a more wide-spread browser issue, but I thought I'd mention it. Tzigone talk to me 16:35, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
Asylum of the Daleks
Is it too early to add this title to the list?? 155.245.35.218talk to me 11:53, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
Episode versus Serial and Season versus Series
Based on reading, it seems clear that the 'Season' numbering ran from 60s-80s from 1-26, and then ended and the 2000s reboot is being called a 'series' grouping, 1-7 s far. So they are not interchangeable and the division is easy to understand.
What I am not clear on though, is the use of 'episode' and 'serial'. Are these used interchangeably? Based on this table, you would think that "An Unearthly Child" (the first part of the story sharing the same name) would be called a serial, but not an episode.
Are we using a similar term distinction here? It seems like it might confusion common usage. There are some two-episode stories in the 2000s seasons so the term serial could be appropriate for them as well.
The 'story' terminology appears to be numbered continuously. With the 1996 story 156 bridging the gap between the Seasons/Series. Wouldn't it be good if we could agree upon a common 'episode/serial' term to be used for the specific air dates which could also be numbered continuously through the whole series overall?
If I had to choose 1 I'd probably say serial, since it's shorter, though 'episode X' links should probably point to the same places.
Also, is it plausible that some day in addition to story pages we might also have serial/episode pages? It seems that for the most part that the newer stories all get 1 per (usually being an hour long) but the older stories, albeit having 30 minute episodes, often have way more than 2 serials per story, so a lot more content is jammed in. +Yc 03:40, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
