Theory:Doctor Who television discontinuity and plot holes/The Magician's Apprentice
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- Moffat's attempts at being PC blow up twice. First we see Black men on what is revealed to be Skaro. Where Davros is. Davros is a Kaled, people known for their NAZI-like racism.
- The only racism they ever showed, was towards the Thals (and the mutants) who they had been at war with for a thousand years (and going by the hints in the first episodes, its likely they started it). The idea that all Kaleds are white has never been suggested, nor is their any reason to assume they would care about race in their own species. Especially as by this point they are near the end of the war, and down to around one city left. If they are so desperate they recruit children for battles, who would honestly care about whether you were black or white?
- Because the Thals and Mutants looked different from them.
- From this wiki's own articles, it is not clear what caused the war, nor why Thals and Kaleds were hostile to each other. Nazi-like does not mean completely identical to Nazis, so black Kaleds (assuming they weren't Thals, as there seems to be little external difference between the two races) are possible.
- Because the Thals and Mutants looked different from them.
- The only racism they ever showed, was towards the Thals (and the mutants) who they had been at war with for a thousand years (and going by the hints in the first episodes, its likely they started it). The idea that all Kaleds are white has never been suggested, nor is their any reason to assume they would care about race in their own species. Especially as by this point they are near the end of the war, and down to around one city left. If they are so desperate they recruit children for battles, who would honestly care about whether you were black or white?
- And then in Essex 1138, there are very clearly Black people among those watching the Doctor playing the electric guitar, standing next to a tank. Of the three, the leats likely one is actually the Black people in Essex in 1138.
- Um, their actually were black people in England during the middle ages, not many sure. But they did exist, many came over with the Romans during the invasion or settled their during the occupying period. Others (such as Moorish traders and mercenaries) came over at different periods. Legitemently concepts such as racism didn't really become mainstream until the slave trade.
- Wrong again. First, the Moors were Semitic, and looked like Iraqis, not Black people. Secondly, racism has always existed. And what do you mean by "until the slave trade"? Slaveyr has always existed too.
- The previous user was not wrong. It is clear that 'slave trade' in that context refers to the Triangular Trade, where organised mass enslavement of blacks really took off. This website: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/blackhistory/intro/intro.htm indicates that blacks have been around since Roman times, and that 'Moor' in Medieval Britain was a generic term that included blacks. Class & ethnicity were the main issues in the Middle Ages, not race. Assimilated Medieval Black British is completely plausible and not just PC nonsense.
- Wrong again. First, the Moors were Semitic, and looked like Iraqis, not Black people. Secondly, racism has always existed. And what do you mean by "until the slave trade"? Slaveyr has always existed too.
- Um, their actually were black people in England during the middle ages, not many sure. But they did exist, many came over with the Romans during the invasion or settled their during the occupying period. Others (such as Moorish traders and mercenaries) came over at different periods. Legitemently concepts such as racism didn't really become mainstream until the slave trade.
- If Davros has had the sonic screwdriver his whole life, why have we never seen him use it before?
- Have we ever seen him in a situation where it would have come in handy? Also, it's very possible that he would have no interest in a device that doesn't kill, wound or maim, especially by the time we meet him in Genesis.
- How did the Daleks know where to find the Doctor, and thus who to convert into a Dalek puppet? Isn't Coloney Starf wasting his time hunting the Doctor if the Daleks already know where he is? And if they have Bors there, what's to stop him from stunning the Doctor and transporting him like in Asylum?
- Its possible he was infected by the Coloney's snake that strangled him.
- In The Day of the Doctor, it is implied that Clara remembers all those her lives in the Doctor's timestream. (The Eleventh Doctor states she had 'seen' the Tenth Doctor and the War Doctor.) For someone who've been saving the Doctor for his whole life, her ignorance about the Skaro, Davros, and creation of the Daleks is quite surprising.
- The events are hazy to Clara as stated in the 50th anniversary special when the Doctor had to remind her she'd seen his 10th incarnation before
