Theory:Doctor Who audio discontinuity and plot holes/Seasons of Fear
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- In the Eleventh Century section, there's a whole plot point about how Edward the Confessor doesn't have a son and heir. However, there was no hereditary succession. Anglo-Saxon Kings of England were elected by a Council.
- It is likely that this is a deliberate error brought about by the unraveling of the Web of Time due to Charley's paradoxical existence. Such historical errors pop up with some consistency throughout Charley's early journey, another being those present in Invaders from Mars.
- When Grayle visits the Doctor in Singapore to gloat, the Doctor replies that Grayle must have him confused for another Time Lord because I'm not the one who says 'you must obey me', I don't meddle, and I'm not a glamorous woman at the moment. The Doctor does meddle, and has done so several times, including the whole Charley Arc that this part of, but Cornell is stating here that Time Lords will keep the exact same personality and quirks from incarnation to incarnation. As we have seen with both the Doctor and the Master, the appearance, dress sense, personality, likes and dislikes can change significantly from one incarnation to the next. The Doctor is not that ignorant of Time Lords to make such a stupid statement.
- I feel you are misinterpreting the Doctor's statement somewhat. While personalities and quirks do change from one incarnation to the other, there are clear staples to each Time Lord's being, for example post-One the Doctor always strives to do the right thing, the Master is bent on world/universal domination, etcetera. True, the Doctor does meddle, but ey doesn't think of it as such. Ey thinks that ey is doing what is right, and that it's the ones like the Monk, changing established history for their own amusement/plan, that can truly be described as such. Aside from that, the Doctor emself clearly seemed to intend it as a joke, describing the other three active renegades at the time.
- The problem is that while the basic ideas of right and wrong remain(and even that isn't absolute), each incarnation does things other may not do. Can you see the Fourth Doctor playing "cosmic chess" and blowing up planets? Can you see the Tenth Doctor running around with a gun shooting everyone like the Sixth doctor did in Attack of the Cybermen? And the "glamorous woman" line is awful. Kate O'Mara is glamorous. That incarnation of the Rani is questionable. But there was nothing to say that another incarnation of the Rani may not dress like the Second Doctor. And changing established history for their own amusement/plan is the Master in The King's Demons or the Doctor crossing his own timestream to save a companion (thereby changing established history for his own plan), or the Time Lords in The Mysterious Planet or... Well you get the point. And if it's 'intended as a joke', it fails on that front.
- Whose to say Eight was referring to the Rani? He could just as easily be referring to Iris Wildthyme, and given the amount of times he's bumped into her, the 'glamorous woman' bit is all but guaranteed.
- Iris was anything but glamorous when Eight met her in The Scarlet Empress. So, it's definitely not guaranteed. And intriguingly, as has been pointed out, the Delgado Master says "You will obey me", the Ainley Master meddles, and now Missy is a glamorous woman/
- Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and anyway she was dying at the time. Clearly the Doctor needs to think his humorous attempts at deflection through a bit more if he wants to deal with you lot. Though that's a rather nice implication, that the Doctor is covering all his bases purely in regards to the Master.
- Iris was anything but glamorous when Eight met her in The Scarlet Empress. So, it's definitely not guaranteed. And intriguingly, as has been pointed out, the Delgado Master says "You will obey me", the Ainley Master meddles, and now Missy is a glamorous woman/
- Whose to say Eight was referring to the Rani? He could just as easily be referring to Iris Wildthyme, and given the amount of times he's bumped into her, the 'glamorous woman' bit is all but guaranteed.
- The problem is that while the basic ideas of right and wrong remain(and even that isn't absolute), each incarnation does things other may not do. Can you see the Fourth Doctor playing "cosmic chess" and blowing up planets? Can you see the Tenth Doctor running around with a gun shooting everyone like the Sixth doctor did in Attack of the Cybermen? And the "glamorous woman" line is awful. Kate O'Mara is glamorous. That incarnation of the Rani is questionable. But there was nothing to say that another incarnation of the Rani may not dress like the Second Doctor. And changing established history for their own amusement/plan is the Master in The King's Demons or the Doctor crossing his own timestream to save a companion (thereby changing established history for his own plan), or the Time Lords in The Mysterious Planet or... Well you get the point. And if it's 'intended as a joke', it fails on that front.
- I feel you are misinterpreting the Doctor's statement somewhat. While personalities and quirks do change from one incarnation to the other, there are clear staples to each Time Lord's being, for example post-One the Doctor always strives to do the right thing, the Master is bent on world/universal domination, etcetera. True, the Doctor does meddle, but ey doesn't think of it as such. Ey thinks that ey is doing what is right, and that it's the ones like the Monk, changing established history for their own amusement/plan, that can truly be described as such. Aside from that, the Doctor emself clearly seemed to intend it as a joke, describing the other three active renegades at the time.
