Talk:Jane Marple
SOTO is right that the first name is not used in the references I've seen. Chances are it was never mentioned (or it could have been: such small references often go unrecorded). However, it is absolutely clear which character is meant. In a similar prior case, the first name of a real-world reference was used as the best way of disambiguating, despite not being mentioned in the DWU. While strictly speaking, it is not necessary to disambiguate Marple at the moment, I added the first name as future proofing. Amorkuz ☎ 22:57, August 13, 2016 (UTC)
- UPD: I was not able to find the mention of "Jane" in TV stories mentioned on the page. Amorkuz ☎ 21:57, August 14, 2016 (UTC)
- I don't see any need for a rename. This is not a character in the DWU, this is a fictional character in the DWU. Shambala108 ☎ 13:44, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
- T:HONOR, in its current formulation, does not distinguish between types of characters or, indeed, types of pages. The exact quote is: "Honourifics are titles that come before a name, such as Mr, Mrs, Dr, Professor, religious ranks, or military ranks. These should generally not be included in article titles, unless they provide the only reasonable means of disambiguation." Amorkuz ☎ 14:26, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
- If T:HONOR says that Miss Marple and Doctor Strange need to be renamed, that sounds like a problem with T:HONOR, not those page titles. Absolutely no one is going to wonder "Has Doctor Strange ever been mentioned in Doctor Who?", hop online, and search for "Strange (fictional character)". These page renames are actively eroding this website's usefulness as an encyclopedia. – N8 ☎ 17:26, November 7, 2017 (UTC)
- Fortunately for T:HONOUR, there are pages Miss Marple (series) and Doctor Strange (film) that should have {{you may}} to the character pages for those users who are not familiar with our policies. There are plenty of DWU characters that are almost universally referred to with some kind of honourifics, Sergeant Benton comes to mind. There are characters that are only referred to once or twice, and with an honourific,. It is, in fact, better to apply the rule uniformly than to make readers guess how deep into the DWU a given character embedded, and whether it was featured in the Land of Fiction, etc., to determine whether T:HONOUR applies or not. It's not like anyone would mistake Miss for a first name. I would be more careful with Little Lord Fauntleroy because that is not a standard honourific, but Miss, Doctor, Captain, etc. are stripped for everyone. Amorkuz ☎ 18:01, November 7, 2017 (UTC)
- You know what, let's meet halfway. I think I figured the optimal way in terms of minimising the number of clicks. If the character page is Marple, the series page is Miss Marple (series), and there is a redirect from Miss Marple to Marple, then
- a person who goes by the wiki's naming policy gets to this page in one click;
- a person who types "Miss Marple" is instead presented with two options and can choose among them, also in one click. Amorkuz ☎ 18:49, November 7, 2017 (UTC)
- That sounds like a great compromise :) May I make an analogous redirect from Captain Nemo to Nemo? – N8 ☎ 19:07, November 7, 2017 (UTC)
In response to the first bit of the edit summary "the point of policies is their universality. Many people would search for Captain Harkness, so what?", universal means universal, and the way the policy is being applied to this case is not. Mr Smith is a fairly big character whose page could hardly have slipped underneath the eyes of individuals who cared about enforcing policy. The many Dr. Whos perhaps less as notable, but still a concrete example of the non-universality of T:Honourifics.
I'd chalk it down to another factor involved in these renames: that pages should have the name by which their subject is most commonly known.
Nobody calls her just "Marple". It's thus far universally "Miss Marple", just as Dr. Who is always "Dr. Who" (unless of course, he's "Dr Who").
We can all agree that there is a line it just doesn't make sense to cross; which (ignoring Dr. Who (Dr. Who and the Daleks), Mr Smith, Grandfather Paradox, and probably a few more examples I can't think of) I would put between "fictional" people and "real" people. My line runs between Professor X and Paterson (Survival). The moment... uh, I dunno... Thebes publishes a novel all about Erimem & company going back and solving a murder with the real Miss Marple, I'm all for moving this page to Jane Marple. But as it stands as a page about a concept rather than a person, I really think Miss Marple is more suited. CoT ? 01:44, November 8, 2017 (UTC)
