Talk:The Silence/Archive 1

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Silly, repetetive rumours

Can people stop filling to 'Behind the scenes' with fanwank or potential classic enemies? This happened for series 5, and never came true. It happens every year. First, we get Omega or someone returning in series 5.... no, didn't happen. So then you go and put it down for series 6. It's ridiculous. Someone needs to throw all of this fanwanking into the crack before it consumes every article on here.

As far as the known facts are concerned, it's called The Silence, implying it's a new Moffat villain. The Silence has often been refered to as if it were a group of enities or some sort. But we have a voice, simple as that. Stop putting fanwank in the article just because we don't see a physical form. You might as well go and say it's the Rani.... oh, one of you probably already has said that. Delton Menace 07:39, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Deleted following comments as they were either insults or speculation. For speculation, please visit The Howling. Thanks----Skittles the hog--Talk 17:08, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

The Doctor?

It's stated that the Doctor was the one responsible for the cracks and here it says the voice was. Could we at least say on here at the bottom that the voice could possibly be the Doctor or some type of evil manifestation for example the Valeyard and the Dream Lord? Vitas 13:13, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

• Where does it say the Doctor caused the cracks? The Thirteenth Doctor 13:30, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
  • In The Pandorica Opens (TV story) when they're about to trap him in the Pandorica the Sontarans, Cybermen and Daleks all say it was the Doctor Who opened the cracks that's why they had to trap him in there. --Vitas 01:15, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
  • the voice was the one controlling the tardis and caused it to explode, the alliance assume that the doctor caused the cracks because they think that only he can pilot the tardis. The voice technically caused the cracks because it wanted to cause the end of the universe, and purpously exploded the tardis. the alience dont know about the voice and all the evidence they have points to the doctor so they said it was him 217.23.232.194 08:20, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
  • But then the Doctor could have done it for some ulterior motive such as saving the world from a real menace or doing it to pass a message on to himself in the past, like when he faked total death on the museum staircase. We've learnt now that the new doctor is not totally beyond screwing up the laws of the universe to try and save it. Like a policeman breaking the law to uphold the law. Pharap 04:09, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
  • The Alliance was wrong. They thought it was the Doctor because to their knowledge he was the only one who could pilot the TARDIS. However they're knowledge is incomplete as it was in fact River Song piloting the TARDIS, as she too knows how. During her piloting of it the Silence took control of it and blew it up. In addition the way it's talked about implies it's an individual entity (or a group). Therefore the Doctor is not the Silence. And to Pharap, the Doctor has never been beyond screwing up the laws of the universe, and the Eleventh has done nothing of the sort. MegaNerd18 04:23, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
  • Moffat himself said on the last confidential that the doctor is breaking the laws of the universe. Bringing a sonic screwdriver back in its own timeline is a paradox, which is breaking the laws of the universe enforced by the reapers and previously the timelords. The Doctor has previously stuck to the laws of the universe with his 'fixed points in time' theory. A major plot point in the waters of mars was the Doctor's decission to break the laws of the universe in an attempt to save the lives of the inhabitants of Bowie Base One. There is no evidence to say that the voice isn't connected to the Doctor, even if the silence is a group, the Doctor could be a member of it. The Doctor also currently has a lack of knowledge behind it all so it could be a way of his future self alerting his past to something that is going to happen, like Rose and the Bad Wolf. Pharap 19:49, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
    • This topic is becoming non-related to the editing of the page, so I advise discussing this in the forums rather that on this talk page. --The Thirteenth Doctor 20:01, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
    • I'll speculate now that we know who the Silence are... the Silenec caused the allience to band together through post hypnotic suggestion. I've got no idea how they took control of the tardis though. 74.15.193.26 21:17, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Rename

Perhaps this would be better as the Silence. It is not conjectural, and has been called this several times both in and out of universe. Although we heard a voice, should that denote the name that we choose? The Thirteenth Doctor 20:16, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I completely agree here. Rossana refered to the Silence, the Doctor refered to the Silence, and Steven Moffat refered to the Silence. So, technically, that it's name. The Silence. Only fans called it the Voice, which is unofficial.

So yeah, we should honestly rename it to the Silence. We have felt (the pressence of) the Silence (in the form of literal silence) and heard the voice of the Silence. In both appearances, it came in the form of silence and later mentioned that silence would fall. So really, yep, we should call it the Silence. It sees silly not to. Delton Menace 06:48, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

The voice behind "The Silence"

I don't have any sources to confirm my suspicions, other than my very acute ears. I'm convinced that the voice is the actor John Hurt, who is another prominent british actor. Here he is playing Adam Sutler:

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Although he isn't listed in the upcoming season six, it's very possible that he was used briefly as a favor, for a distinct and powerful voice, that sounded sinister. It may be just me, but I've always been very good with voice actors.ChairmanKiel 17:54, December 27, 2010 (UTC)ChairmanKiel

I believe that the Silence is behind the creation of the experimental TARDIS seen in the lodger. If they couln't build one then they just used the Doctors. And since the Loger's plot is being continued, then it is very likley the Silence will make an appearance.CourtneyFANno.1 02:11, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

i think the silence would be make its prescence more well-known in the upcoming 2011 series.

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Sclera1 08:57, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Is it me, or do The Silence sound like General Grievous? BNSF1995, Alive since 1995 02:14, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Pure Speculation

I know it seems a bit silly, but does anyone remember that virus the doctor made that switched everything back to zero. Well what if that virus changed and is now trying to turn the universe back to zero, it kind of makes sense, zero=nothing aka silence.

The Silence revealed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1377089/Doctor-Whos-new-enemy-The-Silence-makes-Daleks-look-like-Dusty-Bin.html

Should the picture be added?

Not until the episode which it appears in has been aired, and then the picture will need to be from that episode and not a promotion picture. --Revan\Talk 16:36, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

What abuot the name? By this point it's basically been confirmed that his name is "The Silence". Does it really still need to be considered conjecture?

It will remain conjecture until the name is spoken or seen in the credits of the TV series. Also, the image will not be added as it is promotional, and promotional images are not added to in-universe articles.Mini-mitch\talk 16:45, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

The Villians in Episode One?

First things first. I do believe that the Silence is a new original idea of Steven Moffats. Second I read an article saying that the Silence might become a classic villian (don't remember where it was from :( ) and it showed a picture of one of the aliens I saw in the released prequel for The Impossible Astronaunt. Could they be the same thing?

It's pretty much been all but confirmed that the Suit-Aliens are the Silence. -- MisterRandom2 18:50, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

What should be classed as "History" and others as "References"

I mean, their blowing up the TARDIS wasn't really a reference, it was part of their history. The same applies to what happened in Venice, whatever they did to make silence fall. But Rosanna said her species "ran from the Silence," which would put it as part of their history that went unseen.

References would include the Doctor mentioning that they're "still out there" in The Big Bang and Prisoner Zero foreshadowing whatever "silence will fall" means in relation to them, as they say the same thing, as heard in the Radio Silence trailer. Delton Menace 19:49, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Whoa whoa whoa!

Can I just ask why we're already changeing it to this? I mean, I know that the grey aliens are most definitely the Silence, but aren't we actually supposed to wait until something in the episode actually says that it's them? We don't even know if "the silence" is a group, or if they are a species. The Thirteenth Doctor 20:01, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Silents or Silence?

The credits to the last episode list "The Silent", raising the possibility that it is actually supposed to be plural "Silents", not Silence. Might be worth mentioning. --131.111.184.8 21:04, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

And I just realized ... There is a mention that this is a revolution, not an invasion. "[The] Silents will fall"? --131.111.184.8 21:08, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

The BBC website says a Silent in the singular form of the Silence. Delton Menace 21:09, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

OK, never mind then. It is supposed to be plural, at least, which means my theory as to the meaning "Silence will fall" still holds up ... --131.111.184.8 21:11, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Inclusion of a Reference to the eleventh hour

There is a reference to the eleventh hour when the doctor says he sees something out of the corner of his eye. I dont believe this is relevant as the main point at the time this is mentioned is the perception filter put up by prisoner zero. I don't think it likely that what the doctor is missing out of the corner of his eye is a Silent.

216.30.176.22 06:03, April 24, 2011 (UTC)Doctor'sCompanion123

Yeah, he ment the perception filter put up by prisoner Zero not wether there was a silent in Amy's house. Alpha111 06:28, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

the Lodger

I remember in the Lodger Amy while in the TARDIS looked and seemed to acknowledge the existence of something in the TARDIS and seemingly forgot it just as quick could this mean that there is one or more Silents in the TARDIS, and that they may have been there for a long time.

Silence will fall

Sorry, but my memory's a bit foggy, but I can't remember anything in the episode confirming this.

"The Silence was a mysterious species that forced the Doctor's TARDIS to explode on the date of June 26th 2010, and thus created cracks in time that would erase various things throughout the universe, and eventually the universe itself."

I know that everyone keeps saying "Silence will fall" in Doctor Who, but do we have any confirmation that the Silence are responsible? Again, sorry if it is confirmed, like I said my memory's a bit foggy. Manga (talk • contribs) 11:40, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

• "Something drew the TARDIS to this particular date. Why? And why now? The Silence is still out there... and I..." That's from the end of The Big Bang. Well... what I can remember from it! :P That basically said the Silence caused it. --The Thirteenth Doctor 13:17, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
• That only really says that The Doctor believes that The Silence are involved. He says that "Something drew the TARDIS," not necessarily The Silence.
• One of the sympnosis for series 6 refers to how the Silence blew the TARDIS up, and that series 6 reveals more of their hidden plans that theyhave been plotting against the Doctor since the dawn of time, or something like that. That, and Steven Moffat said the Silence blew the TARDIS up a while ago. 90.202.150.156 02:08, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

I would be curious to see what he (Moffett, the slippery fellow) actually said, if you have a reference for that interview. In trying to sort out this whole business of the Silence, who they really are and what they really want, what they think the Prophecy means and why, and why would they want to warn the Doctor of their presence, I keep coming back to this Voice. Everyone here seems to assume it was the Silence, and perhaps given what we know now of River Song, perhaps they did do it through her. But for all of the disputes about when to call this page what, just assuming the Silence blew up the Tardis seems a bit less than rigorous. Particularly as I read up the page about someone apparently identifying the Voice as John Hurt, years before The Name of the Doctor. I will take consideration of that possibility to The Howling. But it does give new significance to the bona fides of the Voice.Phil Stone ☎ 15:39, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

This was confirmed in The Time of the Doctor (TV story). Timppali ☎ 10:36, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

inspiration

I think i read it in the Doctor Who magazine, but i think in an interview, Steven Moffat was either inspired by a painting called "The Scream" or that the aliens in the Dr Who universe themselves inspired the painting, either way, it would be a good thing to point out. Sclera1 14:38, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

It could also be possible that they may have been based on the Slender Man a tall, grey faced, wierd arm, suit wearing silent creature. In perticular the Slender Man known as 'The Operator' from the Marble Hornets videos, as it has the ability to wipe peoples memories.Bhillybillybob 23:46, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Image

This article needs an image.--Tim Thomason 08:26, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

K9 protest not relevant.

The K9 protest "stop the silence" isn't relevant, it's a different time, maybe even a different universe. It's a cry that the peoples' voices should be heard, not that the Silence are there. RedMarston 10:38, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

I have to agree, with this point. Although, K9 did start in 2010... right? K'jal'mar ( The talk| Contribs) 13:06, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to remove it, when the Baker's were writing K9 it was well before series 5 was ever even thought about, so its just a coincidence. In fact it's not even that, just a plea for the Department to tell people what they are doing really. --Revan\Talk 14:35, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Possible Trivia

It might be worth mentioning that as well as looking like the character in the Scream painting, the Silence also look like the Slender Man character from the Slender Man mythos, especially because of the suits they wear and their tall slender appearance. What do you all think? 92.14.113.195 23:45, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

To Add on Biology

After watching the Day of the Moon -- again -- I noticed that the Silcence have white blood. This means that they don't have hemoglobin in their blood --if that's what it is.

I think that this note should be added considering that this means that they do not process the oxygen from our atmosphere, but perhaps another element to breathe.

One, please sign your posts and Two, yes it is hemoglobin that makes blood red so if they do have white blood they must not have hemoglobin in there blood. Alpha111 07:08, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Mentions

Should the Mentions be reverted in the page? Prisoner Zero said Silence will fall, Now this is presumbly the silence being attacked in America. But how could P/Z know about the silence falling if it can't remember them. Also how do we know it's their name, Besides it being in the credits, of course, that might be a red herring, couldn't it? Landisnicholas 17:20 June 17 2011 (EST)

Becuase The Silence could of made Prisoner Zero say Silence will fall to the doctor. The Silence can control humans possibly aliens? In The Vampires of Venice, Rosanna Calvierri says we ran from the Silence (if she meant the creatures then it means the Silence are not just on earth so they could of made Prisoner Zero say that to warn the Doctor) Silence will fall does not mean the Silence will die. 86.4.197.94 13:30, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

the silence in vampires of venice

right after river stops talking it zooms into the key hole but i heard the noise the silence make when its zooming into the key hole when i rewatched the vampires of venice

Name Change

The name needs changing. "Silence" is the plural, refering to more than one of that species. We don't call the article Sontaran Sontarans, and we don't call the article Cyberman Cybermen. It should be renamed "Silent", because that is only one. And why do we have "the" in the title? Since when did we need the "the". This article should be renamed to "Silent". Any disagree? BroadcastCorp (talk | contribs) 11:09, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Has there been and instance of them being referred to in the singular? --Tangerineduel / talk 14:39, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Silent and The Silence

This may seem a point about the spelling, but it isn't. It's just the only way to differentiate two things.

See right now the article multiple tims refers to The Silence from Series 5, the entity that blew up the TARDIS and caused the Cracks, and infers it to be the same as the Silents. But there hasn't been anything in the series confirming that the Silents and The Silence are the same.

The Doctor did remember the damage The Silence caused, but the Silents don't acknowledge anything of the sort, nor do they seem able to have any control of the TARDIS at all. In fact besides the name they don't really seem that similar at all to anything we learned about The Silence from Series 5. They don't have any technology at all, don't have any control of Time Lord technology, or even an understanding of it, and they don't recognize the Doctor, River, Amy, and Rory. And they don't want to destroy the universe, they wanted to maintain their rule of Earth.

As far as I'm concerned I don't think the two have enough connection at the moment to warrant being treated as the same. MegaNerd18 17:22, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Religion, not species

As revealed in Let's Kill Hitler, the Silence is a religious order, and not a species. As noted by this page, we need to create a new page for the species seen in The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon. What shall it be named for now, until we are given a correct term?

Also, this page needs to be renamed, preferrably to "The Silence" (redirect needs to be removed).D0ct0r11 •

I put the cleanup tag on the page. It will take some time to separate the fact of the species and the religion, and a new page will need to be made for one of them. MM/Want to talk? 20:16, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

I've made some preliminary changes to the page, and tried to diffrentiate between religion and species. However, a lot more needs to be done. D0ct0r11 •

I saw, and I had to undo it, we need to decide how to split the page, also, the information you moved went nowhere, and what deleted. Please don't do this. The information will stay there till we decide what we should do with it. Which hopefully, won't take long. But thanks, very much for trying to do it. It's appreciated. MM/Want to talk? 20:38, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

The page Silent should be about the suit-wearing guys from The Impossible Astronaut, who are presumably employed by The Silence, a "religion" trying to kill the Doctor via kidnapping Melody.

In other words - 2 pages: 1. Silent (species) and 2. The Silence (religion). Tardis1963 08:38, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, where are you getting the singular Silent from? I've totally missed that. As things stand now, the species we see in the top of the series hasn't been properly identified. This article definitely needs to be moved back to "The Silence", cause that's the only thing we have clarity on at the moment. For us to not have an article named "the Silence" in the wake of LKH is rather silly. I think MM is being a bit optimistic when he says it "won't take long" to figure out what to do with the info about the DOTM species. It'll take till the end of the series, most likely — provided Moffat actually finishes telling his story this series.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 14:30:51 Sun 28 Aug 2011 

I see upthread that someone is quoting the BBC website as using the singular "Silent". That doesn't really work, though, as a reference for an in-universe article — especially because we now know that was active disinformation. That was the webmaster trying to throw us off the scent and describe it as a species so that we could get the shock revelation that the Silence is actually a religion. We could, I suppose, add that as a BTS note. Anybody got any narrative instance of the use of the word "Silent"?
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 15:16:11 Sun 28 Aug 2011 

My reasoning isn't narrative, but it's better than nothing. The credits and the action figure toy both refer to a single of the species as a Silent. Tardis1963 23:29, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

This needs to be changed to update after Lets Kill Hitler

The Silence is revealed to be a religious order, rather than this species. I suppose it's implied that this species is employed by The Silence to carry out certain attacks or monitor things, but it's definitely made clear that it is NOT a species.

The Question

The notion of the Universe ending when the ultimate question is asked is clearly inspired by the premise of The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy by Douglas Adams. Should this be added to the article? --Lucifuge Rofacale 17:03, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

PREFERENCEs

The references section heading had a P at the beginning so I took it out.

Eyepatch

I just saw the episode 13 trailer and there's several people with an eyepatch. River, Kovarian and a wrinkly alien with a big chin. Does anyone else thing the eyepatch thing could be some sort of tech to prevent the Silent's memory manipulation ability? at end of episode 12, River sees them, turns away and forgets, but when Kovatian turns away from them she can remember.

What do you think?

Invictus152 03:17, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Generic term

I expect "the Silence" is merely Steve Moffat's generic term to describe whatever force happens to be threatening the universe at the time of the episode, the same way Russel T. Davies used the term "the Darkness" repetetively with no specific meaning. Lucifuge Rofacale ^{talk to me} 16:43, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Are They dead?

I just watched The Wedding of River Song and was wondering, is The Silence abolished? It seems to me that when the fixed point was "fixed", they all ceased to exist, until Dorium revealed the question. Are they dead? I'm confused.

One can only assume that they will continue to try to kill the doctor since they think that the question should not be answered. Nothing indicated that they were dead to me. --DWFan657539 ^{talk to me} 17:38, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure they are very much still alive and will show up in the next series. -- MisterRandom2 ^{talk to me} 18:49, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Please take this to The Howling.--Skittles the hog - talk 18:53, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

According to this article, "The Silence" is a religious order, and "The Silents" are the race that runs The Silence. But the Doctor and his team pretty much defeated The Silence. However, the Silents are still out there since the question and event have not happened yet. Unless they're time travellers, too, which negates this whole comment. For the ease of understanding anything, though, the Doctor and his companions are the only time travellers in the whole universe, now, imo. Therefore, Silence is defeated, Silents are watching. My hypothesis.  :) Jay JLOM^{Things turn out for the best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out - John Wooden} 04:31, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

"The fixed point was rather, the Teselecta's destruction and the deception itself."

The Teselecta was not destroyed. Had it been destroyed, it's hard to imagine how the Doctor could have survived inside of it. The fire did not harm the Teselecta. The fixed point was that history recorded the Doctor's death at that time and place.

Further, I do not believe it can be said that we have seen the prophecy come to pass. In what we saw, it was not the fall of the 11th (the Doctor did not regenerate), and there was no indication of the "no living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer" part of the prophecy in what we saw. We haven't seen anything in any way related to the Silence and its fear of the Doctor. What happened at first is that the Doctor's life was destroyed, which is exactly what the Silence wanted. Clara fixed that, and the Doctor went to rescue her, and that's what we've seen. Perhaps we've seen the beginning of the events that lead into the fulfillment of the prophecy, but we have not seen the conditions of the prophecy met at all.

108.231.73.232^{talk to me} 06:59, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

We don't know much about the prophecy. We've heard it more than one way and we don't know what is prophecy, what is religion, what is interpretation, what is translation. The prophecy that the Alliance was based on was correct--the TARDIS exploded. Their interpretation that the Doctor was the cause of the explosion and the only possible pilot (and therefore had to be in the TARDIS when it exploded) was wrong. So no, we cannot say that the prophecy has been fulfilled but we cannot say that it has not be fullfilled either. Some parts clearly have been. The Doctor went to Trenzalore. The question was asked. We may have seen his fall, we don't know that fall=regeneration. We may have Silence falling (the stars going out). The thing is that we just don't know. The little we've been told has come to us mostly second-hand and prophecy/interpretation/translation/religion/etc have not been separated out for us. So, yes, the IP editor is right, we don't know that the prophecy has been fullfilled (at least not fully), but we don't know that it hasn't either. Anoted ☎ 07:28, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

The Cracks

There is a note about this group on the Time Field page, but no note about the Time Field on this page. While the Silents and this greater group were trying to silence the Doctor's name, the silence caused by the Cracks overlaps, at least in the references to silence in general. The context of some of the references suggests a connection of the Silence to the silence caused by the Time Field erasing things, though the connections may have been red herrings. What was the voice related to the TARDIS exploding, and why or what does it coincidentally have to do with silence?--50.89.209.198^{talk to me} 05:57, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

Madame Kovarian

According to my studys the Confessional Priests were like minions of the silence and madame kovarian was very much there leader.

since it was unlikely that the priests arranged the rebellion against the mainframe it was more likely lady kovarian and the priests seem more like minions of kovarian herself ☎ 11:47, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

Possibly Disciminative to Christians

I wondered aboug stevan moffat aiming the silence against anglicans

In the time of angels a department of the church (presumbly part of tashas forces) helped the doctor against the angels

the anglican marines are Church of England and are part of the silence and are evil

Tasha and her forces are catholics becuase of the title mother superious and in the 300 period a rebellion group called the silence went back in time to kill the doctor.

This puts the anglicans in a negative light since all the good christians are catholic while the silence (the religion) is anglican.

So what im thinking is the silence could be being aimed at anglicans

– The preceding unsigned comment was added by Orangerichard56 (talk • contribs) .

A couple of things: first of all, to sign your name, you only need to type ~~~~. Also, please do not put more than one space between paragraphs.

Your comments sound more like theory than discussing of the Silence page, and per Tardis:Discussion policy, talk pages and forum pages are only for discussing the editing of articles. If you'd like to have a discussion on your idea, you can take it to Howling:The Howling, which is the only place on the wiki we allow for discussing theories. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 15:09, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

I did sign it was me that put in the unsigned sigernature thingy since i forgot ☎ 11:02, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

The unsigned signature is for others to add when someone doesn't sign their name. The ~~~~ is the preferred method because it also adds the time and date of a post. Shambala108 ☎ 15:43, December 28, 2013 (UTC)