Howling:Series 5 Spans 2010.

The Howling → Series 5 Spans 2010.

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Well, isn't that wizard. Since when was the timeline in sync with us? Though it has been noted that as of Children of Earth, The Sarah Jane Advetnures series 3, and The End of Time, the timeline is now in sycn with ours (stories that aired in 2008 and 2009 were both set in the same year). The latest stories set in 2009 wer Children of Earth in September 2009, The Sarah Jane Adventures series 3 in October and November 2009, The End of Time in December 2009. The Sarah Jane Advetnure sseries 2 was June, July, and August time 2009. But Planet of the Dead became a big discontinuity error: April 2009, seemingly before the series 4 Doctor Who finale. SIGH.

Donna's second wedding was spring 2010 (March, April, May), Jack left Earth in March 2010. Series 5 of Doctor Who spans the majority of 2010 for present day Earth stories. The Doctor meets Amy Pond in 2010, and there is an episode where Vincent Van Gogh is taken to Paris 2010- and the scene has snow! It has been reported that the Doctor meets Amy Pond in 1995 when she is a child, and later in 2010 15 years later. I was watching filming footage for the first episode of series 5 a while ago, and I believe there was some mention of how "time almost ended" in the episode dialouge. Seemingly some reference to The End of Time and how the world almost ended. As for exact dating, I reckon the first episode of series 5 will be set around April of June 2010. Let's hope specific dates are given in series 5 other than it spanning 2010. I don't like "unknown dates".

And don't go trying to say Planet of the Dead could take place afrer The End of Time. Somehow The End of Time ends up taking place before The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith, too. Delton Menace 12:02, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the basic thrust of what you're saying — there's nothing in the 2009 specials to prevent the "present day" bits from being in 2009 — but you lose me in some of your details. Why does JE necessarily post-date POTD? Series 3 took place in 96 hours, from Francine's perspective. Why are we assuming JE takes place more than a few days after PIC? I don't recall, off the top of my head, any great time passage in the "current day" scenes. Also, how do you know COE is in September? I've only watched it entirely once, but I can't seem to find a reference anywhere in Day One. Is there a newscast, newspaper, calendar or some other obscure part of a frame I missed? Or is that a deduced date, based upon things that are said elsewhere, perhaps in a TW audio?

Not so sure why POTD vexes you enough to sigh heavily. Yes, it it's interesting to wonder when it's placed. I think I've asked the question where it fits in over at the episode page's talk. But it's hardly that important, since it's a self-contained episode, with no likely returning characters. All that matters is that, from the Doctor's perspective, it happens before TWOM and TEOT. It could very easily take place in 2010, or 2007, or 2009. Pretty sure the script doesn't tie down the narrative to even a month of the year, which would at least eliminate some years from contention, since we know it to take place on Easter. About the only thing tying it down, really, is the existence of the Oyster card and the early 21st century "vibe".

And I'm really not sure where you're getting the months for SJA series 3. Why is it in the fall of 2009, while series 2 was in the spring? WHy would you say with one breath that series 3 is in the fall of 2009, but that TWOSJS happens after TEOT?, definitively at Christmas? I admit it's a possibility that TWOSJS takes place after the sliver of a scene we have in TEOT, but it's surely not definite. The only thing I can find on screen is a logical deduction. A title card establishes "old Rani" to be from 2059 in TMWITA. It seems illogical that the story would be set 49 years in the future. Not impossible, mind, just illogical. Seems "neater" to assume that it's in 2009, but it honestly affects the narrative not a whit either way. The only thing that matters is that it's "a long way off". So what's your proof of a late 2009 setting, and why would only TWOSJS be set after TEOT?

I'm also not sure how you can be so certain of what will happen in Series 5 until it airs, based on a few rumors, or even based on one bit of dialogue confirmed by several witnesses to filming. All we have on screen right now is the end of EOT. And there, the TARDIS goes up into Earth orbit on 1 January 2005. It does not appear to enter the time vortex. And then it comes right back down, again with no sign of time travel. Using only the visual evidence before us, Series 5 could just as easily be based on a "current time" which is slightly pre-Rose. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 20:19, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

It's a vexation because Planet of the Dead, which is Easter, takes place after Journey's End - we know this because one of the human passengers remembers seeing the planets in the sky and another says the Earth was moved. Journey's End took place in June, making Planet of the Dead the Easter of the next year. Planet of the Dead takes place before SJA Series 3, because the theft of the Cup of Athelstan is referred to in Mona Lisa's Revenge at the museum.

And Planet of the Dead presumably takes place before The End of Time, because there's a "Neon by Naismith" sign in it but Naismith is arrested in The End of Time. Also SJA Series 3 presumably takes place before The End of Time if The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith contains Luke's first face-to-face meeting with the Doctor.

Yet Children of Earth is established as September 2009 by a newspaper. Jack leaves Earth six months later, in spring 2010. Donna's wedding is also spring 2010 according to RTD's commentary on The End of Time. Since the Doctor visits them both around the same time, that fits.

Until one realizes that with the episode "Rose" being 2005 and the one year jump to "Aliens of London", Journey's End should be in 2009. Which would make Planet of the Dead, Children of Earth, SJA Series 3, and The End of Time all 2010, except that Children of Earth and The End of Time have that evidence placing them in 2009.

This could be a stable timeline with Journey's End through The End of Time all being 2009 (that's why SJA Series 2 would be summer and Series 3 fall, to fit them in the same year), if Planet of the Dead wasn't Easter. -- Noneofyourbusiness 04:11, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I agree we really cant judge when this will be set. CzechOut is right the doctor did still seem to be in 1st January 2005, but there have been rumours that Amy Pond will meet the Doctor in 1995 and filming clips show the Doctor and Amy taking Vincent Van Gogh to Paris 2010 so we really cannot tell until actual broadcast or closer the time. -- Michael Downey 20:34, January 23, 2010 (UTC)