Talk:Trent Alexander-Arnold

Rename proposition

We really need to have a proper discussion on this, but as it stands this is really not what the conjecture tag is for. Although it is not specifically disallowed, Template:Conjecture/doc states that the tag is for when we have to make up a name in order to name the page in a sensible manner. Just mentioning this before any mod goes and moves the page without discussion - this is not an uncontroversial change. Danochy ☎ 11:12, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

I kinda disagree - see, there are other Trents in the DWU, so on just that count, moving this page for better disambigution would be preferable. Second of all, using the full name would improve searchability. Thirdly, there is ample precedent for this type of name change.

Epsilon📯 📂

11:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

I know you disagree, hence why this needs a proper discussion - PLEASE forums can you return soon 🙏. But yeah from my point of view it's much better to disambiguate using in-universe information wherever possible. As for searchability, searching "Trent Alexander-Arnold" will show you a single page known as "Trent (footballer)" - very little possibility for confusion. Precedent goes both ways, e.g. Billie (The Gathering), Fletcher (The Haunting of Villa Diodati), Jeremy (Party Fears Two), Lanz (Just War) just to name a few found within a couple of minutes. More opinions and more analysis of policy is the only way we can come up with the best way of standardising this naming policy. Danochy ☎ 11:34, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

I agree User:Epsilon the Eternal. We should strive to use in-universe information wherever possible, but in cases such as these, where a person from the real world is being referenced, using a full name and conjecture tag aids disambiguation, improves searchability and leads to less work in the long run. In these cases, where we use the full name of a topic from the real world with a conjecture tag, only sourced information should enter the body of the text (e.g. this person should only be named as Trent in the main text. His full name can be placed in the behind the scenes section). We already have multiple precedents for this; however, once the forums become available, I would say that this does formally need to be agreed upon and written up as part of the Template:Conjecture/doc.66 Seconds ☎ 15:48, 1 November 2021 (UTC)