User:Epsilon/Forum threads

EPSILON the ETERNAL

My proposed Forum threads will be sorted from easiest to accomplish, to more difficult, to very difficult.

Easy

#	Topic	Notes	Status
I	Inclusion dabate for the validity of TV: Dermot and the Doctor.	There is no reason given for this story's invalidty on the story page, and there is no genuine reason this should be invalid: long story short, @CzechOut believed that, due to the presence of real world actors and the lead into the National Television Awards, that it couldn't be set in the DWU. In the light of the sheer quantity of stories that show real world things existing in-universe, this should be valid.	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
II	A clause to be added to T:NO RW, that we can acknowledge certain details on props within a source even if they're obscured, if we have OOU pics of hte prop to work from.	I've already kinda explained it... (Oh and this could be handled in Thread:272817.)	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
III	Reopening Thread:232143.	In short, novelisations are still treated as "lesser" sources in two ways: 1. Firstly, names from novelisations aren't allowed to be used for pages names (though this is heavily inconsistent in practise) due to the apparent obfuscation of pages of concepts originating on TV, however this point is a double standard as names from non-novelisation but non-TV sources are used, and recent updates to Fandom software show redirects, and their targets, in the search box, thus eliminating any searchability issues. 2. Secondly, while novelisations are commonly found lists of appearances, they're for some reason frowned upon if they're included in infoboxes, despite other adaptions in other mediums being fair game. Furthermore, novelisations with drastically different plots to their television counterparts should be given their own plot summary. To fix these issues, a quick Forum thread would do, as I cannot see any objection.	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
IV	Slackening the rules on lists of appearances.	Seeing as lists of appearances are real world pages, we should allow invalid sources to be documented there. It makes no sense why a list documenting all of the Tenth Doctor's appearances, for example, omits big sources like GAME: Attack of the Graske and GAME: The Edge of Time. Furthermore, we should allow these lists to also include mentions too.	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
V	Overturning Forum:Move protecting all TV story pages (in part, lemme explain)	In regards to television stories, move protecting pages makes sense. But when you come over to comic stories, prose stories, yadda yadda yadda, these should not be protected, as often stories in the same medium are named the same thing, but we can't move the pages becuase they're locked... for reasons that weren't even remotely discussed in the original Forum discussion, instead being a further action taken by @CzechOut without discussion. It'd be simple to have a bot sweep unprotect non-TV story pages.	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
VI	Disbanding the misuse of hypocoristic names as nicknames.	On this Wiki, for some bizarre reason, lots of pages have things like "Amelia "Amy" Pond", where the hypocoristic version of the full forename (in this case Amy) as a nickname, sandwiched between the forename and surname. This is wrong, it just is, and we really should uniformly use "Amelia Pond, also known as Amy for short," or some variation thereof. On many pages, this practise is used, but it is very inconsistent.	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)

Medium

#	Topic	Notes	Status
VII	Inclusion dabate for the validity of TV: One Born Every Minute.	No reason for this one's invalidty, although it is pretty clearly a bunch of random jokes thrown into a charity minisode, thus making me question if it was intended to be set in the DWU... I'll probably not bother with this thread.	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
VIII	Inclusion dabate for the validity of TV: Children's Ward	TV: The Long Game crossed over with Children's Ward by featuring the nun from the latter appearing as Adam Mitchell's mother in the former. Furthermore, RTD has provided rule 4 positive statements that everything he has ever written takes place in the same continuity. (Two caveats however: Sandra Mitchell was credited as "Adam's Mum" in The Long Game, and the name was retroactively applied; it would mean us having to cover mulitple series of an otherwise unrelated television series.) However, an inclusion debate may not need to happen if @NateBumber's {{NCmaterial}} proposal goes through.	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
IX	Discussing the usage of "(N-Space)".	"(N-Space)" is an odd disambiguation term, as it was supposed to be used exclusively on Doctor Who (N-Space), despite it not really being supported under T:DAB OTHER. However, I personally don't like this dab term, as "N-Space" isn't even used in the majority of stories, as many dont even have the license to the name, as since its introduction, many have wanted to see a more widespread usage of it, however I think disambiguatiing by story title is a perfectly acceptable solution that is alread supported under policy. However, my original objection to this dab term, due to me not wanting in-universe counterparts of real world DWU people/stories to be dabbed, is something I have conceded on.	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
X	Re-evaluating the usage of the names "the Doctor", "TARDIS", "K9", etc, in sources that do not use them.	Instead of the names given within the story, e.g. "Dr. Who/Doctor Who", "Tardis/Tardis", K-9/K·9, etc, the Wiki prefers using "the Doctor" and "TARDIS" - I do not agree that this is in the spirit of neutrality — ergo, changes to T:TARDIS will be necessary, as it is direct conflict with T:NPOV. In short, I want to see the precedent set by Talk:The Monk/Archive 1#Article made from whole cloth expanded to cover other characters.	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
XI	Re-evaluation of the application of dab terms such as TV, WC, and HOMEVID.	I think reconsidering how we prefix stories is necessary, as more and more historically "television" content is being broadcasted on the Internet, which we refer to as "webcasts". See the problem? A good point that somebody told me (I can't remember who though) is that we could continue to use these dabs, but not look at the medium of first broadcast but of the standard behind production: so, a television series released online wouldn't be a webcast under our terminology, as it was produced under television standards, or as best as possible. Furthermore, we could pivot our prefixs to look at what type of genre the source is, such as LIVE ACTION and ANIMATION. However, these are unweildy and probably not worth exploring.	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
XII	Changing the Wiki's usage of "Non-DWU" to "Invalid"	Many invalid sources are intended set in the DWU but are invalid sources on this Wiki due other (often random) reasons, such as non-narrativity, etc. It feels disingenuous to claim they're not set in the DWU when that is really not the case, and, above all, purports the notion of canonicity, which the Wiki has tried to separate itself from. Examples of "Non-DWU" are present in every category for invalid material. All this could be fixed via a bot sweep.	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
XIII	Italicising story names within dab terms.	For instance, Peter Capaldi (A Letter from the Doctor) would be titled (with {{retitle}}) Peter Capaldi (A Letter from the Doctor). This can be done easily with a bot sweep.	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
XIV	Users uploading videos.	On virtually every other Wiki, it is acceptable for users to upload videos. Except on this one, due to something about copyrights. Not that that is an issue on other Wikis, as copyright infringing videos are simply deleted. To ways to fix this: first, let all users upload videos and let admins delete unacceptable ones. This is less work than admins accepting every video. Or, we could just let established and trusted users to upload videos, as I honestly doubt the frequent editors here would upload any rule-breaking content.	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
XV	Further video related discussion	Funny one this, lads: the Tardis Wiki only accepts YouTube videos because of {{vrec}}. Pardon me what the cruk. We literally have the capability to upload videos from other sites and we squander this?! I knew nothing about this, and it took @Spongebob456 telling me this so I could find out. This Wiki is rooted in archaic practises and we need to actually use all these features that we're provided with, come on, as they improve the quality of life on this Wiki. And lets not get started on the fact that Special:NewFiles isn't even the only way to upload videos. There is another way, that allows more sites. (Though this method would require <image source> to be changed to <data source> in infoboxes.)	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
XVI	Adding a broad deadnaming policy	I feel that in regards to any sort of name change that occurs in result of a shift in identity, we should respect those wishes and use that person's and/or groups' new name, even in in-universe cases despite T:NO RW. This should be made as an exception to that policy, under common decency. This policy would obviously encapsulate deadnaming and gender identity, but also be broad enough to cover other misnaming and other types of identity, such as national identity. It is not up to us to decide which parts of identity matter more than others, and we should respect them all, equally. This could be its own policy or part of T:NO RW. (This'll be contentious though...)	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)

Difficult

#	Topic	Notes	Status
XVII	Inclusion dabate for the validity PROSE: Verity.	I feel that this one could be valid, but whether or not it is set in the DWU is vague, and probably isn't. Don't have any confirmation either way, despite asking the author twice.	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
XVIII	A change to T:VALID that will stop "decide your destiny" type stories being flat-out invalid.	Based on an admin decision from a decade ago that was poorly handled, all stories (barring AUDIO: Flip-Flop for several fair reasons) that feature "alternating narratives" (basically Decide Your Destiny novels and the ilk) are flat out invalid. As issues are forming from these types of stories being invalid, we must reconsider their validity. However, if these stories are covered, how exactly we shall cover them still needs to be figured out... 'cos these things aren't exactly easy to do so.	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
XIX	Splitting Iris Wildthyme	As dozens of characters with multiple incarnations have now been split, it may be the time now for Iris Wildthyme to be split too. Drafts can be found at my sandboxes, here, here, and here. However, I think this would be perhaps one of the most difficult splits to accomplish, as Iris Wildthyme isn't exaclty written in a way that's easy to be Wikified. Her whole shtick is inconsistencies and fluid continuity, and trying to pinpoint a linear timeline of the character for thins lik the biography section... is kind of a lost cause, or one that needs more time put into it than I can give it. (This is why a real world perspective on the character would be so much easier.)	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)
XX	Perhaps a thread to allow the leads of major characters to written from an OOU perspective.	Self-exlanitory.	Incomplete (thread not started; waiting for the return of the Forums)