Talk:Universes Beyond: Doctor Who

Color

Sorry, how do we know the color of the cards where we just have the illustrations? I'm not getting that one. Najawin ☎ 20:40, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

The colours were identified in Gavin Verhey's reveal video so you need to listen to that section to get the colours. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nadimo (talk • contribs) .

This is strictly not true about 13, Yaz, and Davros. (I think you're making two assumptions concerning 13 and Davros here. But we don't do that on this wiki.) It's also non trivially true about any of them that we've not seen if only for the reason that color ID != color. Najawin ☎ 14:29, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Gavin Verhey confirmed this at time stamp 15:50 (for 13 and Yaz) of the The BIG Doctor Who Commander Reveal! New Cards, Art, Deck Themes, & More! | Magic: the Gathering MTG and time stamp 19:00 for Davros. Fear not. I will not update any info that has not been stated as fact and will specifically not mention anything that is not yet revealed. Either way, the big reveal just occurred in Barcelona today and has just confirmed the above and a lot more cards that I will be adding.Nadimo ☎ 21:33, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-leaked info

Hey, weird nuance here. The official Doctor Who twitter account shared some cards a bit too early and has since deleted the tweet. They've been stored elsewhere, so we know what they are, and can source them, and they'll be up officially soon enough. But I guess it's technically leaked from an official source until then? Should we just add them anyhow? Or hold off until the official release of info? Nuance due to our new spoiler rules and leaks, I guess. Najawin ☎ 21:29, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

The cards that you're talking about are already on Scryfall and similar sites as official images. Not potato quality leaks, so I shall be adding their info. If it was a "photo", I would state that these were unconfirmed. As it stands, I believe that we're all good. Nadimo ☎ 04:54, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, quality is good. That's not what I'm worried about. It's our policies. Najawin ☎ 05:39, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Based on the policies, I've placed the information with a Rumours section with an explanation as to the source and validity. Would humbly appreciate your input if this isn't the ideal way to tackle this. Nadimo ☎ 06:19, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Probably good? The issue here is that Forum:Temporary forums/Changing the Spoiler Policy is a little vague on how to deal with leaks.

As pointed out by User:NateBumber, as per T:RUMOUR do actually seem to allow some unofficial spoilers on specific sections of series pages, with rigorous sourcing. This seems to have worked well so far, but should not be extended to the new types of spoiler pages except for the ones about individual upcoming works

The issue here is whether the sourcing can be rigorous. Since the tweet was deleted. We now have unofficial / semiprofessional references to this event at best. So it depends on if we consider, like, Scryfall and mtgrocks to be rigorous sourcing. (I'd really like a third party comment here. Personally, I'd lean towards saying that Scryfall is probably sufficient, but that reddit, twitter, and mtgrocks are not. If Scryfall is convinced, we should take that seriously, imo. But it's not super clear how we should apply this standard in this particular case, since it's coverage from sites that specialize in an IP that isn't ours, so we don't have clear standards on how traditionally reliable the wiki has held certain sources to be. Knowing what I know about MtG, being a filthy occasional cedh player, Scryfall is fairly professional. But it's the policy angle I'm worried about.) Najawin ☎ 07:49, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Images v Scryfall

So we have two editors placing in images here, as things have been revealed, and it's a monumental effort, but can I suggest an alternative? The mtg wiki has a template called card that links to the scryfall pages for each card, and also allows to distinguish between art choices. It would really only be useful for this page, unless mtg and Doctor Who ever did another collaboration in the future, but it would cut down on the work massively.

The one downside is that it doesn't preview the cards as full images - you have to hover over the links to see them. I'm not sure if this is tweaked on mobile at all (my suspicion is that it's not). Najawin ☎ 23:17, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I am all for doing that with regards to the hover on desktop/larger screens. Mobile will always be more limiting and not having the full image would also make for easier legibility AND will be the best way to tackle reprint... Nadimo ☎ 06:43, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I've just popped over from the MTG Wiki to provide some resources but it seems you've got things handled here. Just in case though:

• The full list of cards and tokens are available on Scryfall.
• Where Wizards of the Coast or an artist has released higher res images, without the Magic: The Gathering card components, they will usually be found on MTGpics.

For this specific topic, it might help to know that Scryfall is very api friendly and have documentation on calling their art crops here. If you're doing it manually and don't need high res images, each individual card on Scryfall has a "Download art crop" button in the Images and Data section at the bottom of the page (example here). This will get you just the main card image, it won't include any of the extended art sections.

Thanks, RivalRowan ☎ 05:14, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi RivalRowan. As an MTG player, collector, and judge, (and someone who has put themselves through every episode including recons) my biggest goal for helping create the Doctor version of this page was to do it so that every art and mechanic nuance is referenced on this page from a Doctor who perspective with all the internal links. From a Magic side of things on the Magic Fandom page, the card name with a bit of blurb is usually enough for players to know about the set and the premise behind each deck. We all use Scryfall instead of the official Gatherer because of its scripting flexibility, APIs, and the scans themselves. I was even involved in the scanning side of things back when the goal was to catalogue actual cards as opposed to digital renders. With this page, I would love to say that Scryfall's API would resolve the big question of imagery, but then this page would be tied into that API and any future changes, which may break things (unlikely, but you never know). Using the actual images, for which we can get the crops/xrops from Scryfall may be better in the long run. I'm open to the advice from those that have done a lot more DW page edits from a seniority point-of-view. Nadimo ☎ 09:31, 16 October 2023 (UTC)