Talk:The Pantheon
Krampus was never mentioned by Harriet Arbinger so he should only be cited under an In Other Media section and not in the main body of the article. --104.244.231.6talk to me 23:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- (Edit conflict) This wiki considers all valid sources to hold equal weight, including both comics and TV. If a comic says Krampus is part of the Pantheon, at the very least that's a fact provided by "one account". Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 23:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Gods of Ragnarok?
I thought it was pretty obvious the "threefold deity" was meant to be the Gods of Ragnarok from The Greatest Show in the Galaxy. I guess it's too vague to put in the article but maybe in the behind the scenes? 91.110.84.0talk to me 22:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, fair enough on a BTS notes! Found a couple of comments from noteworthy people, but more sources would be good. But yes, I do think in in-universe terms the text is too vague. If RTD said "yes, it's the Gods of Ragnarok and you're absolutely unambiguously meant to get that from the line", then maybe. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 23:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Scope creep?
I feel like the scope of this page could be better defined. The concept of the Pantheon isn't very well-defined in the show currently, so much of this page reads as speculation. We can't take a 'common sense' approach to the lore because frankly what we've seen on TV this year is murky and contradictory and can't be squared with past lore (for instance, looking at just The Legend of Ruby Sunday itself, I don't think we should so confidently declare that Sutekh's parenthood of the other Gods is symbolic, until a source indicates it as such). If a reader wants a history of the Mara, they can go read the Mara page, what's relevant here are the sources which discuss both the Mara and the Pantheon, both Sutekh and the Pantheon, and so on. My opinion is that this page should only focus on pages which directly discuss/name/are written with the idea of the Pantheon.
For example, the statement "Sutekh, originally a member of the Osirian Court, (TV: Pyramids of Mars [+]Loading...["Pyramids of Mars (TV story)"], AUDIO: The Judgment of Sutekh [+]Loading...["The Judgment of Sutekh (audio story)"]) came to hold himself to be the King of the other gods making up this group. (TV: The Legend of Ruby Sunday [+]Loading...["The Legend of Ruby Sunday (TV story)"])" could be rewritten using the Tales of the TARDIS story as a source which mentions both the Osirian Court and Sutekh's god-hood. If the core point of statement combining multiple sources is to highlight an ambiguous hole between the things left unsaid in either source, that's veering on theory. TheChampionOfTime ☎ 22:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't Legend or Empire explicitly say that Sutekh evolved into godhood during his time in the vortex, which puts a hard constraint on his parenthood not being literal? (I'd 100% agree with you if it wasn't for this fact.) Najawin ☎ 23:14, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with you, but by the same logic it's hard to see how he becomes "The Oldest One", leader of the Pantheon, just by staying on top of the TARDIS - especially when Maestro says "how could he be there?" at an incident involving the Doctor's TARDIS. Empire of Death has a line indicating there's a Susan Twist for the events of The Time Meddler [+]Loading...["The Time Meddler (TV story)"], so there seems to a looseness to the script with regards to timelines. There's a lot that's unclear. TheChampionOfTime ☎ 00:08, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
