Howling:(Spolers) TEoT as the setup for Series 5?

The Howling → (Spolers) TEoT as the setup for Series 5?

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My fave theory this week is: Rassilon is controlling the Tardis to issue the final sanction - The End of Time. The destruction of the time vortex.

I had the inspiration to watch The End of Time again, because of a few things from Series 5 that reminded me of it. Most notably, the fact that 'Time is running out.' 'Silence will fall.' Sounds like Rassilon's plan for winning the war. (Oh, did a parallel between Churchill and Rassilon just fly by?)

Structure of the Finales Over Time

• S1: Doctor/Daleks, S2: Daleks and Cybermen
• S3: The Master, S4: The Master and Gallifrey
• S5: Ostensibly, the Doctor! and since that's right out ...

Rassilon's Stamp?

Try answering all the following questions with 'the Timelords at war' or just 'Rassilon' and see how they fit.

The parentheses at the end of each above is: R=Rassilon, DL=Dreamlord, T=Tardis. Those are the characters I could see as likely villains in this story, and you notice that Rassilon and the Dreamlord are options for all.

1. Who would have the ability to use Amy's psi-footprint to read her future events from after she'd left her home? (DL,R)
2. Who can (sometimes) force control over the Tardis? (R,T,DL)
3. Who could chuck a spare Tardis at Earth (in the Lodger)? (R,DL)
4. Who's scary enough - who could promise and spin enough - to get an Alliance to bag the Doctor? (Err, box, rather) (R,DL)
5. Who could pull a scan of Rory's brain after he fell into a crack? (R,DL,T)
6. Who's ruthless enough to kill Amy, and calculating enough to park the Tardis against a brick wall, both at the last second, to prevent a last-second miracle? (When did any other foe display that level of spiteful cunning and decisive action?) (R,DL)

Why I mention the Dreamlord: Aside from being a potentially horrible new threat, this whole season has had a fairy tail, dreamlike feel to it, and there's nothing really ruling out the Dreamlord having been the puppetmaster for all their adventures this series.

Rassilon's Hook in the Doctor's Mind?

How exactly can Rassilon be narrating TeoT after-the-fact, if he's back in the LGTW? (Obviously he could be narrating from beyond the time lock, or talking in the mirror before he addresses the High Council, but to me it implies that the end of TEoT:p2 was only a setback.)

If the Time Lord council can manipulate the Master's childhood as an escape plan, why not be redundant and do the same to the Doctor, for double the chances of success?

Maybe the Doctor's fear of what he'll become... that thing he's always running from lest he stay and bask in god-like fame and power... is Rassilon's message, his signal with which to create a link. Sulking in the the Pandorica will certainly bring out the Doctor's self-loathing...

Did Rassilon Pull the Trigger during TeoT?

Rassilon didn't say anything about how long it would take for his "final sanction" to play out.

As always, I'm just having fun and talking out of my arse. Agonaga 07:23, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

The dream lord has no control over the real world... He cannot control a TARDIS outside of a dream until he becomes (if he does) the Valeyard. On top of that, everyone has been saying that Moffat is trying to sort of stray away from the RTD era, so I don't foresee a connection between TEoT and series 5. V00D00M0NKY 07:34, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Re: the Dream Lord, I was picturing a scenario where the psychic pollen was activated by all the explodeyness of #10's regeneration.

As to any long term plan about the Timelords eventually returning or not, and leaving off RTD's contributions: they haven't treated the Dalek and Cyberman finales of that era as "hush, we don't talk about that anymore" type topics. Still, thanks for readi ng my wankage ;) Agonaga 07:46, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

So you're saying that the entire 5th season is all a dream? I saw someone else suggest that and I refuse to believe that because I dislike when a single episode of something basically didn't happen so if that happens with a full season then I will definitely not be happy. In regards to RTD, I think it was more about not bringing things from his era back. Moffat can't completely ignore and refuse to acknowledge the RTD era. V00D00M0NKY 07:57, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think its going to be Rassillon purely because its way too soon. Still we should listen the "SILENCE WILL FALL" and see if it sounds like Timothy Dalton, though I suppose Rassillon could have regenerated. Winehousefan 10:37, June 20, 2010 [UTC]

Agonanga, your idea about chucking a spare Tardis at the Lodger, concurs with mine that any sensible Time Lord race would have a bunch of Tardises 'ready to go' as soon as Gallifrey appeared over Earth. Just in case the Rassilon plan did not work. Torchwood Five 92.40.152.114 13:24, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

There was a massive thread left dangling in TEoTpt2 - the second 'weeping' Time Lord accompanying the female ( she was confirmed in RTD's book as being the doctor's mother.) That Time Lord could, if you look at the clip, be Matt Smith (or someone intended to look like him). Maybe this doctor will have to travel back to that moment to put something right. Although it does seem unlikely that they would want to link so strongly to RTD's era. But did I read somewhere that Timothy Dalton had been seen on set?81.141.84.191 00:28, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

You do realise, this is a new era that has little to do with previous story arcs? For start, the Time War stuff is all over now, the series couldn't go on about it forever and have every single finale connected to it. We're in a new era, a fresh, new start for Steven Moffat.

The most likely "big bad" of this finale is, according to spoilerists, Omega. There is a rumoured scene near the ending where he is apparantly "watching" this universe from the one he is trapped in, hinting towards a new, larger arc. But bare with me, that is only a rumour and might not be true. But similarly, the rumour came from the same people who heard rumours of the TARDIS piece and the explosion long before the series even aired, so it's 50/50 chance. Delton Menace 01:20, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, it's all good :) Just because I 'like' a theory because I can make it sound plausible, doesn't mean it's my favorite way for the show to play out. No doubt Moff wants to stand on his own, in case there are unsure fans with all the changes season to season since relaunch. But this is Doctor Who, they always play the long game :3 Agonaga 02:54, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Brilliant thanks for the tip Delton I thought it was Omega who was the big bad the moment I heard the Silence will fall. Though as you said it might still not be but still I think it is. Winehousefan, 13:15, June 21, 2010 [UTC]