Howling:52nd century?
In Silence in the Library and The Time of Angels, we clearly learn that River is from the 51st century, and that she spends her days in Storm Cage in the 51st century. But then, in The Pandorica Opens, she is in Storm Cage and living in (earlier in her timeline than her imprisonment in the 51st century) in the 52nd century.
So let me get this straight: Pandorica opens River is from the 52nd century and locked away in Storm Cage, and then post-Pandorica opens River is suddenly from the 51st century and lockaed away in Storm Cage in the 51st century? Plus, it was 45 years into the 52nd century, nearly half of a decade after the end of the 51st. Plus, the Time Agents are known to be based from the 51st century, not the 52nd... oh my lord. *migrane* :( Delton Menace 00:08, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if it has been "clearly" stated which century she is from. Now that we know she is a time traveller, the 51st Century roots indicated in Silence in the Library might be in error. At the time, we didn't know she travelled in time.
However, if you are going to bust a time agent, after they have jumped into and committed a crime in your era, you generally aren't going to extradite them temporally to another time. So basically, if she goes forward to the 52nd Century from hers, does something naughty, and is arrested, she can certainly serve porridge there! Or rather, then. Torchwood Five 188.28.111.175 00:37, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
Her time period is irrelivant to this, the basis is that she has been living out in the 51st century and prisoned there, and is suddenly living in the 52nd century and prisoned there instead. It was "indicated" that it was the 51st century, it was directly stated, and it was directly stated again in The Time of Angels. I can't make sense that she would be from the 52nd century, get herself arrested there, travel back in time, furhter in her timeline, and suddenly be arrested by the same group in the past -- before they would even know she commited a crime.
And the fact remains, the Time Agents are always said to be based around the 51st century (and closed near the end of that century, I believe), and are suddenly mentioned in the 52nd century. oth River and them are known to do business in the 51st, not the 52nd. Delton Menace 01:34, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
Of course it could just be down to a production error caused by someone getting their centuries and year dates mixed up. How many of us when looking at dates have to do a mental rewind to remember that 1800s = 19th Century, 1500s = 16th Century, etc, etc. So when the writer was told/read that River was from the 51st Century, he may have forgotten to do the mental rewind. 86.154.196.175 08:18, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, in a series where they're juggling so many intentional inconsistencies, I actually think this one is just a mistake. Agonaga 15:42, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
- So, every single time they say 51st century, it's a production era? I'm sorry, honey, but that won't slide. It was clearly started to be the 51st century when Time Agents worked from many, many times in oth classic Who, revived Who, and Torchwood. It's been said more than once that River is working from the 51st century. In The Pandorica Opens, she is working halfway into the 52nd century, and there are Time Agents. The Pandorica Opens is the production era, as every other time, characters say - as in they SAY - 51st century. In The Pandorica Opens, it said 52nd century once (as in, for those few scenes all set in the same time)... and it was text.
- Adding to that, nearly all of Moffat stories are set in the 51st century. Delton Menace 01:26, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
- I was actually thinking that the choice to put 5100s was a mistake, that it should have been 5000s, but maybe he'd read that and say "I'm not one to miss the bloody obvious" Agonaga 02:59, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
- Right now, we can't count it as a production error as it can be easily explained. River is in Storm Cage in the 52nd Century. She gets the vortex manipulator, travels back to planet 1, 102AD then to 26/06/2010. Later, she'll travel back to the 51st century, where she'll kill the best man she ever knew, attend the crash of the byzantium, back to the storm cage, and eventually to the library. There's no error. Right now, at a stretch, you can call it a continuity error. The Thirteenth Doctor 09:34, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
- Yes. She looks like a serial offender to me; likely to have been locked up several times in many different places and many different times. When she gets 'back' she'll be locked up again and then be let out for the Byzantium mission. She'll end up with a fairly complex time path by the time we reach her beginning (being constructed by the Rani using the Doctors memories of her....) Jack.
- I bet she's in and out of the Stormcage so often they've got a cell just for her.
- Probably two cells on opposite wings, so that she can serve concurrent sentences. Well, they might overlap. Do you recond that you can be put in prison for a crime you haven't done yet but has already happened or for a crime that you've already done but hasn't happend yet? Time travel lawyers must have a great time. Jack Chilli.
