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Am i the only one who sees this full page protection thing is ruining the pre-airing and post airing. for example the SJA series 4 pages are STILL stubs months after release. All this stuff about unsourced info. It isn't hard for enougher idiot to click edit, Highlight the text and click delete, Whose with me? Joshoedit 18:43, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yes you are the only one, ever since I started using this wikia most of my edits have been reverting the edits of people who think it is funny to vandalise pages, the protection lets users get on with adding things to the wikia and not stopping to constantly revert edits. Revanvolatrelundar 18:47, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Joshoedit is right. Stubs are no use to this wiki and should be removed as soon as possible. People who think it is funny to vandalize pages are morons. Alpha111 18:53, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

The thing is about vandals THEY NEVER ATTACK PRE-AIRING ARTICLES, and if we allow information on the series page why not the episode page? and the thing thats bugging me since this has all started. the discussion was never promoted to other members, 99% of members found out when "The Vault of secrets" page was created Joshoedit 03:46, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Look, It's never going to happen so stop winging and go edit a Tetrap.--Skittles the hog 12:18, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

It should actually be you that checks the forums to see what is being discussed. It is sounding like you thinking that every User needs to be informed of every discussion taking place within the forums. You should have looked in the forums and read the discussion and then put across your opinion, instead of moaning about it after it a decision has been made, you should have taken the time to read through pages in the forums so you know what may happen on this wiki, and not expect User to tell you about every discussion that is happening. Seriously though, get over it. You've put across your opinion and at this moment the Christmas Carol page is semi-protected, so you can edit it, since you made such a fuss about it. Mini-mitch 11:49, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Quote: "The thing is about vandals THEY NEVER ATTACK PRE-AIRING ARTICLES"

Wrong, as is the case with you and many new users, they tend to focus on the next episode.--Skittles the hog 15:35, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

No, The thing your calling vandalism is a honest mistakes, And the next episode is still a Pre- Airing page!

@ Mini-mitch, Well last time i cheeked every on else was putting the finishing touches on series 5 and starting to work on series 4 (SJA)

Also these pages are also candidates for deletion as they to not have the required information Joshoedit 20:58, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

How exactly does page-protection correlate to the SJA stubs? The full protection is removed shortly prior to broadcast, and there is really all that much to put in them before it. It's the editors themselves, unable to devote the effort for whatever reason that makes keeps the articles as stubs. - I. Am. Excalibur-117-^{(talk • contribs)} 21:20, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

(Joshoedit) Actually the users are placing unsourced rumour. aka vandilism.--Skittles the hog 21:36, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

I fully agree with I. Am. Excalibur-117. Where is the issue with the SJA series 4 articles, they're only semi-protected (as with DW series 5 stories). They remain as stubs because they lack content, they can still be edited by any logged in user.

Semi and full protection helps a lot of the editors on this wiki, not just the admins but many of the dedicated editors. On first glance reverting edits and fixing mistaken edits might not seem like tedious task, but frequently correcting simple spelling mistakes, mis-used words or the same rumour placed unsourced over and over again does tend to wear at editors somewhat. While we wish for all users to be able to edit on this wiki, some limitations need to be imposed to get the best content onto the pages.

As to why information should be allowed to be placed on the series articles but not fully fledged pages; story titles are often not officially confirmed until a week or two prior to broadcast, rumours (even sourced ones) often detail several stories rather than one and teasing out which story the information relates to can be difficult and returning to the editing issue it is easier and simpler to patrol and keep in order 1 page rather than 13 separate pages.

I'm a little confused with regards to the term "pre-airing" (could someone give me a definition?), are we talking about stories that have yet to be broadcast or something else? --Tangerineduel 14:35, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, Unscored rumours, Well fair point on the "they also ruin the wiki" Etc. BUT how hard is it when you see it click edit and delete?, "stubs" IT DOSN'T MATTER IF THE PROTECTION IS TAKEN DOWN 10 MINUTES BEFORE THE EPISODE AIRS you still miss the whole pre airing anticipation that USED to make this wiki so great... and all this series page thing, The pages look cluttered and the information is all over the place Eg. if you go on the series 6 page and looked for information on lets say episode 3 you would have to read the whole page, It isn't clear what info. is for what episode. also with the series thing where emphasis is placed on things that need emphasis when the page is created for the episode Joshoedit 06:17, January 1, 2011 (UTC) Ps. @Tangerineduel Airing in TV terms (as you probably know) means the first time shown. Pre means before, so.. before the first time it is shown

So you're suggesting that to be great, a Wiki has to be full of rumours, just to please you? Utter rubbish. This is an encyclopaedia. There are plenty of forums for Doctor Who. Go there and pretend the Valyard is coming back. Even the Howling is sort of rumour filled.--Skittles the hog 13:48, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Broadcast is often used a lot more than "airing", which is why I was confused.

A program is "put to air" or broadcast. When a program is live it is "airing" (or on the air), and when it has been broadcast it has "aired".

I read "pre airing" as a program in a state of being shown before it had been broadcast like a press screening or something.

I'm still puzzled by the issue with the stubs, for the Category:TV Stub category there are only 97 articles in the TV Stubs category, out of 270 or so TV articles, considering all the other story articles we cover that's not too bad, something to improve on of course, but considering none of them are fully protected I think it's achievable to fix them all up.

I think the Series 6 article is brilliant, practically every single piece of information is sourced and therefore checkable by any reader who wishes to double check the information (as is often said about Wikipedia it's a good place to start, but people do make mistakes so you should read the sources to be sure). I think the fact we've got sources for everything is fantastic. 126 sources! I think that's brilliant, considering we've gone from series articles a year or two ago with no sources for the information to this…I think it's amazing!

If I've read what Joshoedit has said and how Skittles the hog has answered, Joshoedit, your issue is the lack of discussion/anticipation discussion revolving around stories that have yet to be broadcast? I'm not sure where you got that impression that this wiki was about that. All article talk pages are for discussing the editing of the articles, the forums and blogs must discuss something relating to the wiki and Blog and forum posts shouldn't be a user's primary contribution to a wiki (see Tardis:Discussion policy for more info). There's a short list of three popular Doctor Who forums here. --Tangerineduel 15:43, January 1, 2011 (UTC)