Howling:Could Davros ever return?
It's pretty much accepted by most people now that the Dalek invasion of Earth in "The Stolen Earth/Journey's End" has been erased from history via falling into a Crack. So does this mean that Davros now never existed? EJA 17:29, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
well evn if he did the doc reversed the effects of the cracks when he went through them
---Prof Of Whooligy 18:26, April 5, 2011 (UTC)---
The Dalek invasion force was still erased after the universe was restored, as the world still doesn't remember it, as per recent episodes of The Sarah Jane Adventures and, I believe, the forthcoming Torchwood: Miracle Day. So Davros is still gone too. EJA 21:30, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
Miracle Day isn't out yet, and I don't remember any episode of SJA where they talked about the cracks, or encountered someone who doesn't remember the Dalek invasion. Even if people are surprised by the existence of aliens, that doesn't mean anything. During the 3rd Doctor's era, modern-day Earth was invaded all the time, and today, with Torchwood and the Sarah Jane Adventures, there are still many alien invasions. Something that is constantly talked about in Doctor Who is that people are willing to ignore evidence that points to the existence of aliens, even if it is staring them in the face. In The Big Bang, the Doctor restored the universe, which would include the Dalek invasion. And Davros can definitely return. If you watch the classic series, then you know that Davros dies in almost every episode that he is in. He always come back in another episode with some excuse as to how he survived. The crucible probably had an escape pod, or an emergency teleporter, or temporal shift, or something that allowed Davros to escape before the crack erased the invasion anyway.Icecreamdif 20:56, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
Since Prisoner Zero escaped through a crack to another point in space (and possibly time), I have no reason to believe that Davros could not have done it. Gallifrey102 10:16, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
I'm sure I've read somewhere that Torchwood: Miracle Day is supposed to take place in a world where the big alien invasions of the past, i.e. the Dalek attack, have been completely forgotten by the people of Earth. This would confirm that it is still gone.
It is a big thing for RTD to need to write a way around what must seem a narrative obstacle created by the person he left to take over Doctor Who. But, I trust him. We've seen some of the greatest episodes with him Gallifrey102 10:16, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
In the SJA story "The Vault of Secrets", people who believe in alien life are in a distinct minority, not taken seriously by most of society, which simply wouldn't be possible after the Dalek invasion. Sarah Jane is also now working to prevent humans finding solid evidence of aliens, such as preventing a probe sent to Mars from relaying pictures of a Martian pyriamid back to Earth. There could be absolutely no doubt that the Daleks were aliens, so why exactly is she doing this - unless time has been reset and the invasion wiped from history. Hmmm, I wonder how they explain all the global destruction and civilian casualties (assuming they still happen)? EJA 21:14, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
Have you ever seen Everything Changes? In that episode, Rhys' explanation for the Battle of Canary Wharf was drugs in the water supply. Its a common theme in Doctor Who that Humans refuse to believe in alien life even when evidence of its existance is staring them in the face. And those pyramids were probably Osiran, unless the Ice Warriors also built pyramids on Mars.Icecreamdif 00:58, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
I quote The Doctor 'You're happy to believe in something invisible, but when it's staring you in the face - nope, can't see it! There's a scientific explanation for that: you're thick.' Gallifrey102 10:16, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
Hallucinations don't bomb entire continents and kill thousands of people worldwide. The situation in "Doomsday" was an isolated incident; the Dalek invasion was global, involving everybody. You cannot dismiss it as a mass hallucination. You just can't. The Weeping Angels in "The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone" didn't come back after the Reset, so why should the Daleks? I reckon that after the Reset, among the things that were still erased were the Racnoss Queen, Donna Noble, the people behind the Immortality Gate project, and the bus in "Planet of the Dead." Wilf probably doesn't remember the Doctor, and never had a granddaughter. Oh, and I should add the people who resurrected the Master too. Even though the events which led to the Tenth Doctor's regeneration into the Eleventh have been unwritten from time, the Doctor's still in his eleventh incarnation because he's outside of normal time and his personal history is unaffected by any space/time cataclysms. But as far as everyone else is concerned, Series 4 and the Specials didn't happen. EJA 21:00, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
