Howling:The Person Who Is Really Behind the Miracle
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Ok, so we know that the Miracle didn't just spontaneously happen, but someone has to have caused it. And, since Jack is a fixed point in space and time, we know that it must be someone with near-omnipotent powers. Now, there are enough super-powerful aliens in the Whoniverse that it is hard to narrow it down, until you look at the cast for Miracle Day. John de Lancie is playing a character at some point this season. That's right, Q is responsible for the Miracle. In Doctor Who we have seen the void with all the infinite parallel universes, and in Star Trek we had that TNG episode where Worf kept slipping into different quantum universes. With Q's infinite power, is it impossible to believe that he travelled from the Star Trek Universe to the Whoniverse? I for one look forward to seeing Q appear out of nowhere, wearing Jack's WWII outfit, and addressing him as "Mon Capitan." I'm sure that Q was just bored and felt like messing with humanity by making everyone immortal.69.251.176.29 21:43, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
There are more than a few problems with that theory. For one thing, even if Q were capable of travelling from one science fiction franchise to another, the Miracle is pretty sadistic even for Q. After Encounter at Farpoint, Q wasn't really much of a villain, and by his Voyager appearances he was pretty much a good guy. Yes, he introduced the Federation to the Borg, but after their Enterprise appearance it seems more like Q was doing Starfleet a favor. More importantly, however, we know from The Empty Child that Star Trek is a work of fiction within the Doctor Who Universe. It seems like more than a bit of a stretch to say that the two are different parallel universes. Besides, both shows depict parallel universes as having the same species, but with different historical events. Except for arguably the Sontarans/Hierarchy, and the Humans, no species have appeared in both "universes." Miracle Day is trying to appeal to a new audience, and filling it with Star Trek references would alienate many viewers. Plus, I doubt that Starz or the BBC has the right to randomly put Star Trek Characters in their stories.Icecreamdif 22:11, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
- I like it. You can even explain why Q decided to appear on Torchwood instead of Doctor Who: after his experience being punched by Sisko, Q isn't going anywhere near Rory…
- Anyway, for Icecreamdif: The biggest problem with that theory is that the original poster obviously didn't take it seriously, and you did. But if you do want to take it seriously, Q obviously has the power to change things so Starz and the BBC have the rights to use him. :) --173.228.85.35 03:54, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
Well, I certainly hope that he didn't take it seriously. I was just pointing out that he clearly didn't fully think it through. Not that I think that you're taking this seriously, but I doubt that being punched by Sisko actually hurt him, he was just surprised that Sisko actually did it. If we are going to pretend that Q is omnipotent enought to travel to another show, it is still way out of character for him to cause the Miracle. I mean, he's a jerk, and has gotten the Enterprise into plenty of trouble, but the worst thing that he ever did was let the Borg kill some of the Enterprise crew in Q Who. Even by the standards of the Continuum, the Miracle is pretty harsh. Besides, the original poster seems to have forgotten that Q has to spend the rest of eternity looking after Q Jr. He didn't really explain that in his theory. If someone from Star Trek did cause the miracle, then it must have been Intendant Kira, as Nana Visitor is also in Miracle Day. Maybe in the mirror universe, the Pah Wraiths left orbs on Bajor, and the Intendant stole one, used one of the alliance's sub-dimensional transporters to travel through the void to the Whoniverse, and used the orb (also known as the blessing) to take her revenge against the Terrans. It makes about as much sense as Q doing it, anyway.Icecreamdif 04:40, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
First of all, I'm sorry to dissapoint you two, but I am serious about this theory. Icecreamdif, you don't really think that the Alliance's transporters would still work now that the walls of the universe have been closed, do you? Q certainly isn't above doing things as terible as the Miracle. He would have let humanity be destroyed in the finale if Picard hadn't figured the paradox out. Maybe he went to the Whoniverse because, as was said in Voyager, the Q have been around for so long that they have done everything worth doing in the Star Trek Universe, and are now bored. Another Q was so bored that he killed himself for it. Q probably hoped that the Whonivese would be more interesting than the Star Trek Universe(though he should hope that no Trekkies here him say that-he'll be bat'lethed to death). Once he got there, Jr. became bored and decided to see what would happen if he made humanity immortal, because it would be funny. In episode 10, John de Lancie will appear as Q, and fix the entire world with a snap of his fingers, healing Rex, unburning Dr. Juarez, and killing the creepy execution guy. As for why he wouldn't go to the parent show-Benjamin Sisko is about 50 times more bad-ass than Rory is-I don't think Q would be afraid of being punched by Rory.69.137.225.42 17:33, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
This is weird, a Doctor Who wiki filled with Star Trek content...
Gallifrey102 22:36, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
You know, the closest thing to the Q in the Whoniverse are the Eternals, and according to RTD they left the universe behind in disgust during the Last Great Time War. So, where did they go? Maybe they switched places with the Q, but more likely everyone shifted over one continuity; the Q are in the Whoniverse, the Eternals are in the Amber universe, the Lords of Light and Chaos are in Middle Earth, and the Valar and Maiar are in Scooby Doo. --173.228.85.35 03:03, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
It would have worked too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids. 187.112.25.204 12:07, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
Scooby Doo has had at least one mention in Torchwood: In Meat, when Rhys suggests the team could hide in the back of the van, Gwen makes some rather acerbic comments about Scooby Doo. --89.240.247.37 13:44, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
According to Paul Cornell, in the universe of Professor X (the British sci-fi show in the Whoniverse), they don't have Star Trek, but they do have Space Slog. So how do we know it's actually Q; it's just as possible that Q is behind the Miracle in the Professor X spinoff Sexor Profs while Z from Space Slog is behind it in Torchwood. --173.228.85.35 20:37, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
The Whoniverse must have Star Trek -- the original series, at least. Rose demanded, "Gimme some Spock," when she wanted the Doctor to "scan for alien tech" in The Empty Child and later introduced the Doctor as "Mr. Spock" to Jack Harkness. In Fear Her, the Doctor even teaches Chloe the Vulcan salute. In The Impossible Astronaut, Joy asked the Silent if it was wearing a "Star Trek mask", shortly before it killed her. --89.241.74.197 21:40, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, the Whoniverse has Star Trek. And it's been established in the novels, if not on TV, that the franchise is pretty much identical to the in our universe, with only very minor behind-the-scenes differences (like the Borg being a ripoff of the Cyberons instead of the Cybermen). It's the Xiverse that doesn't have Star Trek. That's why Q would have more fun in the Xiverse than in the Whoniverse. --173.228.85.35 19:23, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
Well, apparantly Q grew a beard... and joined teh CIA. You'd think that he'd get bored spending years building a career in the CIA, though I suppose he could have snapped his fingers and changed everybody's memories.Icecreamdif 03:46, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
The CIA? Wasn't it the NID? Or did he already snap his fingers and change my memory? That would explain a lot… --173.228.85.35 04:32, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
It seems to have been the CIA, under the name Allen Shapiro. --2.96.23.243 20:44, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
- You're missing the joke. John de Lancie's next recurring TV role after Q was Colonel Frank Simmons of the NID, a CIA-like organization, on Stargate. --173.228.85.35 03:19, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
- OK, so he left that and joined the CIA under a new name. --2.96.28.193 22:13, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
