Talk:The Monk

His name

I don't recall him being referred to by name in his two television appearances. If this name was applied to the character in spin-off media, this needs to be indicated somewhere. 23skidoo 20:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Article title/ Name change

The Master is not at Koschei, the Rani is not at Ushas, and the War Chief is not at Magnus. Why is this at Mortimus and not the Monk?--The Traveller 12:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

It comes from what he was last known as/most recently known as. Ushas and Koschei is what they used to be called, but have since referred to themselves as Rani and Master. The name 'the Monk' was a name applied to him by the First Doctor, but in No Future he is referring to himself as Mortimus. --Tangerineduel 12:59, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I think this page should be named "The Monk" same as the others eg "The Doctor". Is No Future canon? 86.149.235.138 17:49, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

So in your way of speaking the Monk should now be called as Abbot Thelonious. (Ceryu 18:14, October 10, 2010 (UTC))

The Monk should be known by is most recent name so it should be Monk right they only called him Mortimus in the academy?

I agree with you, they only called The Monk by Mortimus in the academy, just like the War Chief or the Rani. Is should be changed to The Monk. (Ceryu 18:11, October 10, 2010 (UTC))

I agree that his name should be changed to The Monk, because like the Master the Monk is his most used alias and Abbot Thelonious is just a cover name much like what thew Master uses. Mortimus is the Monk's true name but like the Master and the Rani the article titles should use the individuals most consistent and universally known name. Revanvolatrelundar 18:18, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

How is the Monk the most universally known name? The Monk is the most known alias because that's what he's called in the TV stories he's appeared in.

Mortimus names himself/is named in the dialogue in No Future, not just at the academy.

Does Mortimus refer to himself as "the Monk"? The Master and the Doctor both refer to themselves using their titles/alias but does the Monk? --Tangerineduel 15:25, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Mortimus is still not the Monk's most recently used name though, Abbot Thelonious is which muddies the waters about what to call the article in my opinion. Revanvolatrelundar 15:36, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Abbot Thelonious an alias he goes under while Mortimus he states is his name, his real name? --Tangerineduel 16:15, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

And what of the majority of us that don't accept books and audio books as canon? If he was only named Mortimus in the books and on screen was named the Monk, then like the Rani and the Master, he should be known as the Monk. 86.185.155.73 03:52, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect attribution of picture.

This picture:

Mortimus under the alias of Abbot Thelonious. (BFA: The Book of Kells)

...is of the actor Jim Carter. He did not play Abbot Thelonious, he played Brother Bernard. Abbot Thelonious was played by Graeme Garden.

94.192.226.173 22:21, October 18, 2010 (UTC)Gareth Roberts

The image has been removed from this article, thanks for the note. Rob T Firefly 02:35, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Misinterpretations?

First, at no point in "The Time Meddler" or "The Daleks Master Plan" was the character ever referred to by any name. Since he disguised himself as a monk, people called him "The Monk". But prior to "The Time Meddler" and after "The Daleks Master Plan" he wouldn't have dressed that way. He didn't behave particularly like a monk either!

Next up, the idea that he is "childish" or "not clever". Actually he comes across as very cunning(even after The Doctor works out something is suspicious, he still traps The Doctor). Even though he plans to kill the entire Viking fleet(hardly thw actions of a childlike buffoon) he STILL manages to convince the Vikings that he is on their side. His "stupidity" can(and actually SHOULD BE) likened to the Second Doctor acting like a "simpleton" in say "The Dominators" or the Seventh Doctor's various times he acted less intelligent than he really is.

Third, when FASA came out, it didn't contradict anything. It ADDED continuity, but didn't contradict. Unlike the 90's novels. This exchange from DMP9:Golden Death SHOULD have been a wonderful case of good fortune as regards foreshadowing, but has been destroyed by all that Gallifrey 90210 nonsense:

("Monk" and Mavic Chen/Daleks discuss The Docor):

Mavic Chen: He(The Doctor) is a friend od yours?

Monk:Friend?No, no. An enemy! An enemy to end all enemies! I came here to inflict a terrible vengeance on him! I mean, we're all on the same side here, aren't we?

Mavic Chen:But he knows you?

Monk:Well...in a manner of speaking, yes... and again, in another manner of speaking, no.

Mavic Chen:Could you gain his confidence?

Monk:Certainly. Certainly. If you wanted me to. No question about it. No doubt at all.

Remember that "The Monk" immediately recognises The Doctor in "The Time Meddler" but not vice versa. Interestingly The First Doctor doesn't recognise The Ainley Master in "The Five Doctors" either! And if 'The Monk' was a new villain, how could he expect to gain the trust of someone who wasn't a childhood friend? In fact during "The Time Meddler" and "The Daleks Master Plan" The Doctor and 'The Monk' spend a lot of time actually quite playfully ruining each other's time machines. Sound familar? 41.132.117.234^{talk to me} 18:58, March 10, 2012 (UTC)