Talk:Space-time vessel

Proposed deletion

Don't see the point of this article.

• It has no sources.
• It defines a term which is self-evident.
• It's internally inconsistent.

Of these three sins, the one most pertinent to deletion is the latter. It starts out by saying that the term is distinct from time machine, yet it is the page to which time machine redirects. It also starts out by saying that time-space vessels utilize FTL tech, but then says not all of them do. Rather amazingly, therefore, the article goes from trying to define something completely self-evident to so thoroughly confusing the subject that it's impossible to figure out what the article is supposed to be about.

Here are a couple of questions to consider with this proposal for deletion.

1. Are there any pure time machines in DW?
2. Do space-time vessels in DW actually use FTL tech?
3. What purpose does the article serve if it can't be sourced? Is the term "space-time vessel" actually present in DW fiction? Or are the Daleks and Time Lords sufficiently unique in their possession of the technology that all references that might be made to a "space-time vessel" could in fact be made to the types specific to those two cultures?
4. Isn't "Time Machine" better redirected to the H.G. Wells novel, since it is established to exist in the Whoniverse by at least the TVM?

CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 23:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, get rid of it

• Per above, CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 23:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

On the fence

• I agree for the most part, but we do need to separate out the different definitions of everything.

• I've gone ahead and created Timeship that specific one I could define with references.
• 3. This article does serve a purpose as being a generic definition of space-time vessel, sort of useful when discussing TARDISes, but I think that this page can redirect to time travel rather than be deleted.
• I think time machine should be separated and not be a redirect and be like timeship defined on its own. Time machine seems to be a more general term for a vessel that travels through time than space-time vessel. The contention comes I think in how the craft is defined, is it a vessel that travels through space and time, or a time machine. The former suggests that it does both with equal ability, whilst the latter is a time machine, that's all it does, it was built to travel through time and that's all.

(Except most of the sources that state 'time machine' generally imply or state that it can do the space travel as well), so added complexity. --Tangerineduel 13:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)