User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-25117610-20180302210944/@comment-188432-20180417193127

As there is broad consensus for removal of this template, it'll be deleted. Couple points, not both strictly related to this thread:

• In future, if someone wants to use {{delete}} with a template, simple insert it between the <noinclude> tags. Still, because templates affect multiple pages, Shambala108 is quite right to have asked for the discussion to take place here in the forums.
• I don't think this decision should necessarily be based upon T:NPOV. Rather, I'm saying that navboxes which merely do the job of a category aren't necessary. And since navboxes don't currently show up on mobile, there's no need to slow down the load time of our pages for something that the majority of our readers can't see.

I personally think that the message which clarified that the template only showed TV Time Lords was in the spirit of T:NPOV because it at least highlighted the bias, encouraging some sort of fix. If no one had added such a note, we likely wouldn't even have had this conversation.

Also, we need to remember that media are different. It's not inherently wrong to create a navboxes of, say, directors and confine it to just TV. TV directors and audio directors are not the same thing, even though they may have the same title. I think it's also possible to argue that some variety of species — like a particular type of Dalek — existed only in the comics, so a navbox may be forced by, well, reality to describe a single medium. Or at least to exclude some types of media. I mean, if you created a template like {{Fitz' lovers}}, you're pretty much confining yourself to novels. I guess my point is that you shouldn't fail to create a useful template just because it happens to be about a subject that is mainly confined to one medium.