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:::What's even weirder to me is '''that you know this'''. Take a look at your other thread, [[Forum:How to handle the Deca]]. Your first post there is ''very'' clear. You describe what the discussion is about and you say very clearly what you're proposing. I don't really understand why you're so vague in ''this'' thread, and why you've obstinately refused to give a clear statement of purpose here, despite being offered multiple chances to restart the thread. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 15:05: Wed 14 Nov 2012</span> | :::What's even weirder to me is '''that you know this'''. Take a look at your other thread, [[Forum:How to handle the Deca]]. Your first post there is ''very'' clear. You describe what the discussion is about and you say very clearly what you're proposing. I don't really understand why you're so vague in ''this'' thread, and why you've obstinately refused to give a clear statement of purpose here, despite being offered multiple chances to restart the thread. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 15:05: Wed 14 Nov 2012</span> | ||
No. You are making hollow personal insults. The only problem here is that you are deliberately trying to confuse the issue. This started out as a simple discussion which stated that the name "Magnus" was originally applied to a character in Flashback(comic) who both the editor and the actual writer unambiguously stated was The Master. However, you rejected that, as "only narrative elements count". | |||
Fine, if that's the way this works. I then pointed out, that using '''only narrative elements''' there is nothing '''conclusive''' in "Divided Loyalties" who states who this particular "Magnus" really is. Author Gary Russell stated in a real-world interview that "Magnus" is supposed to be The War Chief. However, he also(as noted earlier) stated that "Magnus" in Flashback(comic) is supposed to be The Master? It is sort of '''implied''' in Divided Loyalties that this "Magnus" is The War Chief, however there is nothing that '''explicitly''' states that fact, merely some similarities(and also a lot of differences). So, your response to that was to a)say "Where? Say what is says" and b)lock the original thread, and say "Star again", c)Pretend like you don't understand what I mean, | |||
So, I '''did''' cite the relevant passages, as well as relevant passages from several other episodes, books etc. that flatly contradict Divided Loyalties. Those other sources are all consistent with each other, yet contradict the later-written Divided Loyalties. Your response? Make insulting comments about how "stubborn and "obstinate" I am, and say "don't infodump". However, this so-called "infodumping" was precisely what I was told to do! Just like I was specifically told to start this new discussion here, only to now be told it's the wrong place. I notice you have also made some inaccurate edits to the locked "The Master" article, which shows that you either haven't actually read a word of what either I or various authors have actually put down or b)you couldn't care less about the actual Doctor Who lore/continuity, and only wish to push your own personal canon. | |||
To sum up:a)there is NOTHING in Divided Loyalties that states "Magnus is the War Chief" b)the FASA GAme doesn't actually say what you claim it does b)Divided Loyalties is so riddled with continuity errors, that to cherry-pick one ''implied'' statement, while willfully ignoring everything else is totally point-of-view, and not in keeping with a supposed source of information d)there are countless narrative sources which make it overwhelmingly obvious that the Master is the War chief. Do any of them ever state "The Master is The War Chief" in those exact words? No. Do they all make it far more clear than your ONE muddled "Anti-source" in DL? Absolutely. However, I'm sure you're going to insult me about "walls of text", being "obstinate", say this is the wrong forum, and possibly add some line to The Master article about how Terror of the Autons '''explicitly''' says the Master knows the War Chief as a separate Time Lord, and how the Doctor and the Master haven't seen each other since they both left Gallifrey. My only concern is that some people may come to this wiki looking for genuine information about Doctor Who, and may believe some of the falsehoods that are all over this wiki. | |||
