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I found something new while watching 'The end of time' pt. 2. At the beginning in the Time Lord meeting one of the Partisans says that in the heart of the time war:"millions die every second, '''Lost in bloodlust and insanity'''". This is an exact opposite of the 'peace and sanity' Hurt mentions. Even the lost part could give an explanation for the lack of choice that he mentions. This would mean that Hurt is born from the Time War. I don't know exactly if by heart of the war she means another location or an earlier timeframe so this could mean that Hurt could be a mental manifestation of one of the Time War doctors. I think the most likely one would be the 8th cause we don't know what happened later in his life. I'm not disregarding the rest of my theory but I'm now highly doubting Hurt being the Valeyard. --[[User:Drakonim|Drakonim]] [[User talk:Drakonim|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:35, June 15, 2013 (UTC) | I found something new while watching 'The end of time' pt. 2. At the beginning in the Time Lord meeting one of the Partisans says that in the heart of the time war:"millions die every second, '''Lost in bloodlust and insanity'''". This is an exact opposite of the 'peace and sanity' Hurt mentions. Even the lost part could give an explanation for the lack of choice that he mentions. This would mean that Hurt is born from the Time War. I don't know exactly if by heart of the war she means another location or an earlier timeframe so this could mean that Hurt could be a mental manifestation of one of the Time War doctors. I think the most likely one would be the 8th cause we don't know what happened later in his life. I'm not disregarding the rest of my theory but I'm now highly doubting Hurt being the Valeyard. --[[User:Drakonim|Drakonim]] [[User talk:Drakonim|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:35, June 15, 2013 (UTC) | ||
Drakonim- I did not mean that he was not (in some sense) the Doctor. As 11 says, only I am here. But rather that the actions which warrant Hurt's having broken the promise are those to which Porridge refers, not the crimes of The Valeyard. | |||
I understand that Porridge may be understood as saying it is a great burden to be in charge, and he feels it himself. And given that he in effect detonates the bomb that destroys the planet, it could be a bit of forshadowing. But the ending seems to undercut that interpretation, because when Porridge blows up the planet, later than policy would seem to dictate, he and his friends are saved by the waiting Imperial craft, with no trepidation on his part at all. Apparently, only the Cybermen were killed. | |||
As I recall in "Name..." one of the things Vastra does is look at the sky to see if systems the Doctor has saved were returning. This parallel to the hole in the sky seems significant, at keast as a contrast between the Doctor and whoever it was who ended the Cyberwar. And if that was the Hurt doctor, the contrast is even more to the point. | |||
I keep being reminded of Amy's conversation with River after Amy leaves Kovarian to tender mercies of The Silence. River says it was an alternate timeline that was erased. It never happened so it should not concern her. Amy is emphatic that she knows she did it, and that makes it real. It seems to me the same is/will be true of the Hurt Doctor. That even if his act is/was/will be undone, that the Doctor will consider it real because he knows he did it. So Hurt as he exists even now might be a sort of ghost who persists not as a proper part of his timeline that Clara might have accessed, but as a part of the Doctor who he himself will not let go of, and so Clara only sees him when she is with the Doctor. "Good men dont need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many." Perhaps we are finally going to learn why he has so many.[[User:Phil Stone|Phil Stone]] [[User talk:Phil Stone|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:54, June 15, 2013 (UTC) | |||
