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After ''The Name of the Doctor'', I posted somewhere in one of the topics here (I can't remember which one & am too tired & lazy to search just now) that I thought the death at Trenzalore would be overwritten -- the timeline changed -- for the out-of-universe reason that letting it stand would impede future writers, including Moffat himself, too much. Mainly, it'd make it impossible to write a credible threat to the Doctor's life that didn't involve Trenzalore, because viewers would think "Not Trenzalore, so he '''can't''' die there." As far as I can see, overwriting the death at Trenzalore was exactly what happened when the Time Lords granted the Doctor a new cycle of regenerations; he was on Trenzalore & about to die in battle & they stopped that -- incidentally giving him a nifty way to win the battle (& stuff the Daleks good & proper), in the process. --[[Special:Contributions/89.243.204.145|89.243.204.145]]<sup>[[User talk:89.243.204.145#top|talk to me]]</sup> 23:22, January 24, 2014 (UTC) | After ''The Name of the Doctor'', I posted somewhere in one of the topics here (I can't remember which one & am too tired & lazy to search just now) that I thought the death at Trenzalore would be overwritten -- the timeline changed -- for the out-of-universe reason that letting it stand would impede future writers, including Moffat himself, too much. Mainly, it'd make it impossible to write a credible threat to the Doctor's life that didn't involve Trenzalore, because viewers would think "Not Trenzalore, so he '''can't''' die there." As far as I can see, overwriting the death at Trenzalore was exactly what happened when the Time Lords granted the Doctor a new cycle of regenerations; he was on Trenzalore & about to die in battle & they stopped that -- incidentally giving him a nifty way to win the battle (& stuff the Daleks good & proper), in the process. --[[Special:Contributions/89.243.204.145|89.243.204.145]]<sup>[[User talk:89.243.204.145#top|talk to me]]</sup> 23:22, January 24, 2014 (UTC) | ||
It is interesting that for all the talk of "fixed points" in the context of the Doctor's supposed death at Lake Silencio, that phrase didn't pop up with regard to Trenzalore. And the fact that the Doctor was well into it before he knew he was on Trenzalore for The Time of The Doctor implies sometime in the future he could be again, without knowing it. And so without us knowing it. | |||
I understand that because The Doctor didn't die on Trenzalore, there is reason to think his tomb would not be there for the GI to "discover." And so the GI would not force the Doctor to go there, to interfere with his timeline, inspiring the Impossible girl to follow to fix it. And if we just leave it there, Clara never becomes the impossible girl, & the Doctor never takes leave of River's ghost. But what would the vengeful GI do instead? | |||
Well, Trenzalore only mattered to the GI because that WAS where the Doctor's tomb was found. If the Doctor didn't die at Trenzalore, and we assume that eventually he will die, them he might die somewhere else. And that is where the GI would have forced the Doctor to go, in order to get into his tomb, to interfere with his timestream, and inspire Clara to follow, and become the Impossible Girl. [[User:Phil Stone|Phil Stone]] [[User talk:Phil Stone|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:30, March 18, 2014 (UTC) | |||
