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:I'm not saying any particular way of resolving the problem is fact, I'm pointing out we don't know which is. We really need someone to talk to the producers about this. Or an updated Time Traveller's Almanac that resolves it. | :I'm not saying any particular way of resolving the problem is fact, I'm pointing out we don't know which is. We really need someone to talk to the producers about this. Or an updated Time Traveller's Almanac that resolves it. | ||
:This is really frustrating, and I sympathize with you and everyone else who wants to tie it up neatly. I don't want to believe that Davies forgot Rose and Aliens of London weren't in the same year either. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:39, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | :This is really frustrating, and I sympathize with you and everyone else who wants to tie it up neatly. I don't want to believe that Davies forgot Rose and Aliens of London weren't in the same year either. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:39, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Wait a second. If I read the above correctly, the only thing tying ''Journey's End'' to June 2009 is an [[NSA]] novel, ''[[Beautiful Chaos]]''? That's pretty flimsy, if you ask me. I mean, contrary to popular belief, BBC does have one canon policy: a viewer cannot be forced to buy a spin-off product to make sense of things which happen in the television series. Thus, information in books which challenges a viewers perception of a televised event is actually inferior to what's on screen. Why not simply believe that the whole of Series 4 happened before Easter 2009? Again, we know the whole of Series 3 happened in 96 hours; I really don't see why PIC need be separated from JE by much more than that. Then you can slide | ::Wait a second. If I read the above correctly, the only thing tying ''Journey's End'' to June 2009 is an [[NSA]] novel, ''[[Beautiful Chaos]]''? That's pretty flimsy, if you ask me. I mean, contrary to popular belief, BBC does have one canon policy: a viewer cannot be forced to buy a spin-off product to make sense of things which happen in the television series. Thus, information in books which challenges a viewers perception of a televised event is actually inferior to what's on screen. Why not simply believe that the whole of Series 4 happened before Easter 2009? Again, we know the whole of Series 3 happened in 96 hours; I really don't see why PIC need be separated from JE by much more than that. Then you can slide POTD right in there at April, and everything works. Is there anything '''in the television series''' which would prevent that belief? | ||
::As for the Donna wedding issue, it actually is in dialogue that she's "getting married in the spring". That absolutely makes it the spring of the year which follows the Christmas seen in ''The End of Time''. So, if you believe that's 2009, and I don't see why you wouldn't, then it's obviously Spring 2010 when she gets married.'''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 15:56, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | ::As for the Donna wedding issue, it actually is in dialogue that she's "getting married in the spring". That absolutely makes it the spring of the year which follows the Christmas seen in ''The End of Time''. So, if you believe that's 2009, and I don't see why you wouldn't, then it's obviously Spring 2010 when she gets married.'''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 15:56, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:::The Beautiful Chaos/Journey's End/Planet of the Dead thing is the only reason I might not believe it's Christmas 2009. If Beautiful Chaos and Journey's End were 2009. Netty, a character from Beautiful Chaos, is referred to in The End of Time. Boom Town also referred to the novel The Monsters Inside and Captain Jack's Monster Files on the official site referred to Revenge of the Judoon. | :::The Beautiful Chaos/Journey's End/Planet of the Dead thing is the only reason I might not believe it's Christmas 2009. If Beautiful Chaos and Journey's End were 2009. Netty, a character from Beautiful Chaos, is referred to in The End of Time. Boom Town also referred to the novel The Monsters Inside and Captain Jack's Monster Files on the official site referred to Revenge of the Judoon. | ||
:::One more thing, the [[Erisa Magambo]] page places the Torchwood novel [[The Undertaker's Gift]], which is before Children of Earth, in November. Which would be the November of the year before? I don't have the book, so I can't tell if that's a correct interpretation of its contents. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:05, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | :::One more thing, the [[Erisa Magambo]] page places the Torchwood novel [[The Undertaker's Gift]], which is before Children of Earth, in November. Which would be the November of the year before? I don't have the book, so I can't tell if that's a correct interpretation of its contents. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:05, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Again, though, books cannot be seen as containing '''superior''' information to televised episodes. If the only source of a time for events is a book, then that's invalid information. Not saying you can't mention it in an article, but you certainly can't say that it is absolute fact. Going strictly on televised episodes, the most logical interpretation — unless I've missed something — is that ''Journey's End'' happens before Easter, 2009. Put it another way, the issue here isn't that POTD is in conflict with JE, it's that it's in conflict with ''Beautiful Chaos''. And there's no conflict possible there, because ''Chaos'' is '''just a book''', written well before POTD's script was finished. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 17:26, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | |||
