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: I also noticed that the Doctor is wearing his technicolor coat at the beginning of ''The Maltese Penguin'', yet he's back in blue in ''The Wrong Doctors''. I find it far more likely that ''The Wrong Doctors'' comes before the beginning of ''The Maltese Penguin'' and he changes back into his technicolor coat, which he continues to wear until around the time he meets Charley. I'll take some time to make all thse changes a bit later. –[[User:Nahald|Nahald]] [[User talk:Nahald|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:55, 7 February 2021 (UTC) | : I also noticed that the Doctor is wearing his technicolor coat at the beginning of ''The Maltese Penguin'', yet he's back in blue in ''The Wrong Doctors''. I find it far more likely that ''The Wrong Doctors'' comes before the beginning of ''The Maltese Penguin'' and he changes back into his technicolor coat, which he continues to wear until around the time he meets Charley. I'll take some time to make all thse changes a bit later. –[[User:Nahald|Nahald]] [[User talk:Nahald|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:55, 7 February 2021 (UTC) | ||
:: I believe Real Time absolutely should be left in release order. BF clearly have him switching between both coats for pretty much the entire time he has the blue coat. So it’s fine before The Sandman because there’s loads of other instances of him wearing the coats interchangeably with Evelyn. And really it shouldn’t go after DW and the Pirates, because it interrupts the flow of that story, to Project: Lazarus and then Arrangements for War which work best kept together. The Doctor continues wearing the blue coat for a long time after The Wrong Doctors, with him wearing both coats in the Charley era (and a brand new blue and red coat). He then wears his technicolour coat again with Jamie before returning to the blue for his early travels with Flip. After that he’s not seen wearing it again. So I just don’t see any good reason at all to move Real Time out of release order. You mention how specials aren’t factored into production order and are their own thing, but then drop Real Time down in the middle of a story arc it shouldn’t really be in the middle of. So I strongly believe it should be moved back again. | |||
:: As for the other changes to the Six/Evelyn timeline. I agree (begrudgingly) about swapping Pier Pressure and The Nowhere Place around as that does make sense, although I’ll be hoping another sonic screwdriver reference pops up earlier in the timeline allowing us to put it back in release order. I also agree about 100, and think it might best be placed in reverse order so that 100 Days of the Doctor goes first and 100BC is last. Maybe Evelyn’s 100 years in stasis could even be the explanation for her out of character appearance in the latter story. | |||
:: However I’m not convinced by the earlier placements of Medicinal Purposes and Pier Pressure. I don’t feel as though Arrangements for War quite has the same connotations for the Doctor's characterisation that you’ve taken away. At least not in such an impactful way. It’s less about the Doctor changing his ways and more about him and Evelyn learning to be more honest and open to one another. Right at the end the Doctor even says he doesn’t think he can change and Evelyn says that she doesn’t expect him to. Evelyn herself acknowledged that her reaction was more to do with her own growing sense of mortality than truly being alienated by the Doctor's actions. She absolves him of blame here, while he himself can no longer hold back his anguish over the deaths that surround him. | |||
:: Then in Medicinal Purposes, the Doctor and Evelyn are far more open with each other. They have many discussions about the Doctor’s attitude towards the Burke and Hare murders, and although they come to a disagreement about it, they don’t fall out over it. Evelyn even expresses later in the story how she doesn’t understand the Doctor’s behaviour sometimes, as he’ll act cold one moment and then shocked and upset about something he knew was going to happen the next. This all feels like it thematically follows Arrangements for War. After acting cold towards the deaths of Cassie and Jem, the Doctor suddenly broke down over the deaths in Arrangements for War, deaths that even Evelyn knew were unavoidable. Furthermore this provides an example of how the Doctor and Evelyn have to find a way of living together despite their differences as Evelyn told Rossiter they would in Arrangements for War. Finally at the end, the Doctor and Evelyn are forced to send Daft Jamie to his fate, but together they take a moment to reflect and the Doctor doesn’t try to shut down Evelyn’s emotions which is a far cry from his actions in Project:Lazarus. Is it somewhat jarring to listen to Medicinal Purposes immediately after Arrangements for War? I would say so. But I don’t think it’s impossible for MP to go later, and considering it’s intended to be later I wouldn’t want to move it. | |||
:: In Pier Pressure, yes the Doctor is somewhat irritable but this is explained as him being melancholy after a few misadventures, something Evelyn is used to and shakes him out of. They have a frank discussion and it feels like a more open depiction of their relationship following the events of Arrangements for War, where the Doctor and Evelyn have a heart to heart and come to understand each other better. Also, Evelyn makes a jokey reference to the events of Doctor Who and the Pirates. So it would have to go right between Doctor Who and the Pirates and Project: Lazarus. In my opinion it doesn’t really make sense to have a story with an upbeat Evelyn joking about the events of that story when really she’s supposed to be upset about it and have building tension with the Doctor. Medicinal Purposes is also said to be a long time ago, although I get the impression that Arrangements for War is still fairly early in their travels. | |||
:: Overall, I don’t believe that Arrangements for War does depict such a huge change in character for the Sixth Doctor. Thicker Than Water proves that his irritability lasts throughout his entire life and really the cold reaction to deaths is an issue that almost every Doctor deals with and it’s not something exclusive to Six. Arrangements for War is imo more about the evolution of the Doctor and Evelyn’s relationship and how they come to understand each other better and also learn to deal with the problems together. [[User:SarahJaneFan|SarahJaneFan]] [[User talk:SarahJaneFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:43, 3 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Placement of the First Jago & Litefoot Stories == | == Placement of the First Jago & Litefoot Stories == | ||
I just got finished listening to Series 3 and 4 of ''Jago & Litefoot'', and I think that those stories are placed ''way'' too late in the Sixth Doctor's timeline. The Doctor in these stories is shown as being irritable and somewhat flippant about the loss of human life like he was before he met Evelyn. I'm not sure if the placement of this story was based on the fact that the Doctor is shown wearing a blue suit on the cover of ''The Hourglass Killers,'' but not only is that very clearly not the same blue suit, he was incognito during his time in Victorian London in order to hide from Kempston and Hardwick. I'm going to move these stories to right before he met Evelyn. –[[User:Nahald|Nahald]] [[User talk:Nahald|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC) | I just got finished listening to Series 3 and 4 of ''Jago & Litefoot'', and I think that those stories are placed ''way'' too late in the Sixth Doctor's timeline. The Doctor in these stories is shown as being irritable and somewhat flippant about the loss of human life like he was before he met Evelyn. I'm not sure if the placement of this story was based on the fact that the Doctor is shown wearing a blue suit on the cover of ''The Hourglass Killers,'' but not only is that very clearly not the same blue suit, he was incognito during his time in Victorian London in order to hide from Kempston and Hardwick. I'm going to move these stories to right before he met Evelyn. –[[User:Nahald|Nahald]] [[User talk:Nahald|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC) | ||
