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: Sincerely, SJF. [[User:SarahJaneFan|SarahJaneFan]] [[User talk:SarahJaneFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:57, 7 June 2021 (UTC) | : Sincerely, SJF. [[User:SarahJaneFan|SarahJaneFan]] [[User talk:SarahJaneFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:57, 7 June 2021 (UTC) | ||
: Firstly I’d like to wish you all the best at your new job and with your new home. | |||
: So, I admit that we jumped the gun with the tab idea, but we were just testing things out anyway. We got excited and as I mentioned, I myself was somewhat frustrated at the time. | |||
: I do understand your protectiveness of the timelines, but as we all know they are public and for everyone. I’m constantly told I have to put up with things I don’t like on the timelines because they’re public, so we all have to make concessions. So yeah it would be nice if you could trust in other editors and step back from time to time, but I understand where you’re coming from. | |||
: I like the idea for the nb notes, and I’ve tried it out. I have to say however it does look incredibly similar to the reflinks although that may just be because I’m on mobile. Either which way, I guess it separates the website links and the notes. Thank you for that suggestion. | |||
: I would like to address your point about the Sixth Doctor timeline however it’s going to be a bit long so I’ll create a subheading for that particular point alone down below. | |||
: Thanks again | |||
SJF | |||
[[User:SarahJaneFan|SarahJaneFan]] [[User talk:SarahJaneFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:46, 9 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Sixth Doctor timeline discussion == | |||
Now you mention the Sixth Doctor timeline as an example but actually I feel like that works to support my earlier point. It shouldn’t be taken as read that all stories where the Doctor is paranoid about his future are listed that way, primarily because there’s not actually so many stories that fit that criteria as you may think. | |||
Most of the stories involve the Doctor simply being upset and mistrustful of the Time Lords in light of the recent events of Trial, rather than having anything to do with the Valeyard himself. | |||
And Spindle of Necessity involves the Doctor basically at rock bottom, hiding in despair from his future in fear of the day he becomes the Valeyard. However he is told by Atropos that this is only a potential future, and this rejuvenates his travelling spirit. | |||
Currently the timeline page suggests that the Doctor is living as a recluse on Torrok in Time Of Your Life because he’s paranoid about meeting Mel and becoming the Valeyard. I’ve done some research and this isn’t entirely true. The Doctor is certainly avoiding Mel, but it isn’t the reason he’s hiding on Torrok. He’s actually hiding on Torrok from the Time Lords who are trying to convince him to go on a mission for them, and naturally with this being soon after Trial, he is insulted by this and hides away on Torrok for two months to avoid them before finally giving in and running the mission. | |||
In my opinion, his characterisation makes a lot more sense if Spindle of Necessity comes first, where we’re shown the Doctor at his lowest following Trial. Each subsequent story shows the Doctor slowly recovering from his Trial before he’s finally back to his old self. Even his reluctance to meet Mel makes sense after Spindle, assuming that now he knows the Valeyard timeline is avoidable he’s chosen to keep away from Mel as a way of averting it. In Business Unusual, it’s even established that for his whole post-Trial life he intentionally took on atypical companions as a means of avoiding Mel and skirting the Valeyard timeline so it’s not just an issue he faces in the immediate post-Trial days. | |||
And while we’re on the topic of this period in the Sixth Doctor’s life I’d also suggest that there really shouldn’t be too big a gap between The Ultimate Foe and The Marian Conspiracy. | |||
* The older Doctor in The Wrong Doctors suggests that the younger Doctor visit Sheffield Hallam University after dropping off Mel. | |||
* The Doctor makes a comment in The Marian Conspiracy about causing the genocide of a species that could be construed as him not being entirely over the events of Trial yet. | |||
* The Doctor alludes to travelling with Peri recently in Arrangements for War. | |||
* The Doctor’s later travels with Evelyn take place within the 10 years of the Fifth Doctor, Peri and Erimem era. And as Peri is established to have known the Doctor for 12 years in The Sixth Doctor and Peri boxset, and was separated from him for five years after Trial, that suggests that the Sixth Doctor and Peri travelled together for anywhere between 5 and 7 years before Trial. | |||
So nothing here is explicit, but there’s a few tidbits suggesting a smaller gap than perhaps we might currently have. I particularly disagree with the recent move of the Jago & Litefoot series to pre-Evelyn, although I agree it should be before Charley joins. | |||
Back to the point at hand, I again just think an overhaul may even be necessary on a few of the timelines because there really is a lot of misleading information. Like just the other day I found out that Excelis Dawns takes place on the way back to Frontios rather than on the way to Kolkokron as both the reference guide and this wiki have suggested for years. | |||
And tbh, The Carrionite's Curse probably sits best layer in Six’s timeline because he carries a book by Professor Litefoot that was published in 1899 and personally signed. As the Doctor generally speaking meets J&L in order, this would mean The Carrionite’s Curse likely comes after his other meetings with them. At least after his appearance in J&L itself anyway. [[User:SarahJaneFan|SarahJaneFan]] [[User talk:SarahJaneFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:46, 9 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
