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Can you point me to any stories with the Alan Davies Doctor? I can point you to stories in "the VNA reality." Again, I think my reading of Tomorrow Windows is more plausible. Especially given [https://twitter.com/jonnymorris1973/status/1413442496386899970 these] [https://twitter.com/jonnymorris1973/status/372026874156699649 tweets]. (Morris is not a fan of Shalka, and he's also joked about the Alan Davies Doctor.) It's precisely this kind of tea leaf reading I want to avoid, saying we should simply wait for a direct statement from an author as to their intent with a book. It's got some nice symmetry to our original policy. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:00, 12 January 2023 (UTC) | Can you point me to any stories with the Alan Davies Doctor? I can point you to stories in "the VNA reality." Again, I think my reading of Tomorrow Windows is more plausible. Especially given [https://twitter.com/jonnymorris1973/status/1413442496386899970 these] [https://twitter.com/jonnymorris1973/status/372026874156699649 tweets]. (Morris is not a fan of Shalka, and he's also joked about the Alan Davies Doctor.) It's precisely this kind of tea leaf reading I want to avoid, saying we should simply wait for a direct statement from an author as to their intent with a book. It's got some nice symmetry to our original policy. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:00, 12 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
: You write: | |||
:: ''Under your proposal this doesn't seem to validate DCtT, since you're placing an emphasis on continuity.'' | |||
: But I place an emphasis on ''intended'' continuity, i.e. the spirit of Rule 4. "Intending something to be a sequel" and "intending it to have continuity with" seem to me to be synonymous in this case. That's what I meant when I talked about "manifest intent" — as I see it, in-story continuity serves as (sometimes ''strong'') ''circumstantial evidence'' of intent-of-continuity, without meaning that one is reducible to the other in all cases. What else could Rule 4 mean, save something like intent-of-continuity-with-some-prior-DWU-source? It cannot sanely be divorced from ''some'' concept of "continuity", lest it turn into an arbitrary tag pertaining only and exclusively to a story's status under T:VS itself (and that would be a terrible thing, as it would mean that decades' worth of now-dead writers simply weren't in a position to have any opinions on the matter!) or, at best, some kind of question of "branding" (in which case many ''FP'' stories would fail, despite being intended to be ''in continuity with'' the DWU, because they don't intend to be ''advertised as'' Spinoffs Of Your Bestest Favourite Show ''Doctor Who''. We'd have to throw out anything [[Lawrence Burton]] wrote on Day 1!). | |||
: Our Wiki's view is that a story is valid if it's ''intended to be'' "set in the DWU", i.e. "in continuity with some prior DWU source". Actual compliance with prior sources is not ''necessary'' to prove intent if we're very sure of intent for other reasons (e.g. the old ''[[Genesis of the Daleks (TV story)|Genesis of the Daleks]]'' chestnut, or, in your hypothetical, a shiny "This Is A Sequel To ''DCtT''" tag on the cover). However, such compliance can, for what I had thought to be self-evident reasons, be ''evidence'' of intent. | |||
: The ''Tomorrow Windows'' example actually illustrates my point beautifully. It doesn't matter if [[Jonathan Morris]] intends to make a greater point about ''[[Scream of the Shalka (webcast)|Scream of the Shalka]]'' being "[[canon]]" to the wider True ''Doctor Who'' Universe, if there is such a thing. What matters is that, for the purposes of ''The Tomorrow Windows,'' the reader is intended to recognise the Window vision as connecting to the diegesis of a certain different piece of fiction the reader may have experienced. And sure, there are indeed "many instances of DWU writers throwing in fun little Easter eggs from all sorts of different franchises", but that's just why I specified in my OP that the proposal specifically applies to those stories which we ''already'' cover in full detail on the Wiki ''anyway''. In the spirit of [[User:Deriksmith]], I keep rounding bck to the common-sense point at the heart of all this. Does it look at all sane to you that [[Ninth Doctor 4 (The Tomorrow Windows)]] and [[Ninth Doctor (Scream of the Shalka)]] should exist as pages on the same Wiki? Does it really? [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 16:25, 12 January 2023 (UTC) | |||
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