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== Proposal == | == Proposal == | ||
The core part of this proposal is very straightforward: adding "unproduced" to the dab term of pages in [[:Category:Unproduced stories]], such as moving [[Lungbarrow (TV story)]] to [[Lungbarrow (unproduced TV story)]]. We already do this when a title is shared with a produced story, like [[The Talons of Weng-Chiang (unproduced TV story)]]; expanding it more broadly will be a simple quality-of-life improvement by making it clear in search results which stories were released and which ones aren't. | The core part of this proposal is very straightforward: adding "unproduced" to the dab term of pages in [[:Category:Unproduced stories]], such as moving [[Lungbarrow (TV story)]] to [[Lungbarrow (unproduced TV story)]]. We already do this when a title is shared with a produced story, like [[The Talons of Weng-Chiang (unproduced TV story)]]; expanding it more broadly will be a simple quality-of-life improvement by making it clear in search results which stories were released and which ones aren't. | ||
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:::::I agree with the majority on this one! [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:17, 25 February 2023 (UTC) | :::::I agree with the majority on this one! [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:17, 25 February 2023 (UTC) | ||
:I am not sure that I can agree with the proposal's intention of using just "unproduced" or "unreleased" as dabs in this sense at this stage, as part of an issue I have with terminology. It is difficult to perhaps illustrate this... but this would, in my opinion, cause a bit of further complication to the issue we already have with [[Category:Unproduced Doctor Who TV stories]]. | :I am not sure that I can agree with the proposal's intention of using just "unproduced" or "unreleased" as dabs in this sense at this stage, as part of an issue I have with terminology. It is difficult to perhaps illustrate this... but this would, in my opinion, cause a bit of further complication to the issue we already have with [[:Category:Unproduced Doctor Who TV stories]]. | ||
:''The Dark Dimension'', for instance, cannot be called Unproduced. It had a production office, script, recces and contracted cast. But inversely, we cannot really call it Unreleased either. That would suggest a level of completeness that one would assign to ''Journey into Time'' or ''Absent Friends''. | :''The Dark Dimension'', for instance, cannot be called Unproduced. It had a production office, script, recces and contracted cast. But inversely, we cannot really call it Unreleased either. That would suggest a level of completeness that one would assign to ''Journey into Time'' or ''Absent Friends''. | ||
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:Today is the final day for this proposal, so if anyone has anything more to add, now would be the time to say it. [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:25, 17 March 2023 (UTC) | :Today is the final day for this proposal, so if anyone has anything more to add, now would be the time to say it. [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:25, 17 March 2023 (UTC) | ||
== Conclusion == | |||
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As Nate summarised, there is broad support for including "unproduced" in the dab term for unproduced stories. Therefore, '''"unproduced" will now be used by default in the dab term of anything currently covered as unproduced - that is, anything currently in [[:category:Unproduced content]]'''. | |||
Moreover, there is also relatively broad support to use "unreleased" in some form or other for stories which don't pass [[Tardis:Valid sources#Rule 3|Rule 3 of T:VS]], but for which the descriptor of ''unproduced'' would be inaccurate by some understandings of the word "produced". As there was no consensus on how to best define rules for this, I think that it would be best to make this a case by case decision to be discussed on the talk page of relevant content. Therefore, and this is something that could potentially have clearer rules discussed and formalised in a future thread, '''stories and over media may, on a case by case basis, be classed as unreleased in order to aid with accuracy and clarity. When this is done, "unreleased" should be used in the dab term'''. | |||
Additionally, I do feel that a rework of categories will be needed here and so I will be creating a new category, [[:category:Unreleased content]], to directly house the stories and other media that are classed as unreleased. This category will also contain, as a subcategory, the currently existing [[:category:Unproduced content]]. It will also contain a new subcategory, [[:category:Future releases]], which will house [[List of future releases]], [[List of future Big Finish releases]] and pages on any individual future releases. While this was not proposed initially and received very little discussion, it is a logical thing to do and comes naturally with these other changes. I will create these categories and place pages into them over the next few days when I have time but, if anyone wants to help me out, feel free. | |||
Finally, Nate's proposal near the end to shrink {{tlx|unprod}} seems reasonable. I do not have the required skills to make the graphic required for this but, if someone does and wants to, it needs to be 130 x 25 pixels and follow the format of [[:File:StubTab.png]], [[:File:InvalidSource.png]] and [[:Category:Stub images|other similar images]]. If anyone does make this graphic, please upload it to the wiki, alert me on [[User talk:Bongolium500|my talk page]] and I'll do the rest. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
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