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::Okay, I ''kind'' of get what you're going for here, but I still think it's a lot more ambiguous than "the Doctor and the War Chief are the only ones to have stolen TARDIses". Okay, the War Chief says "we shall be the only two who can travel through both space and time". But that means...what exactly? They're obviously not the only two Time Lords in existence, because the climax of the story involves a visit to a planet which is full of other Time Lords who can also travel through space and time. You ''could'' interpret it as meaning they're the only Time Lords to have left Gallifrey, but you could equally interpret it as simply meaning that they'll have an advantage over the War Lords which means they can easily take over from them. I think it leaves plenty of room for other Renegade Time Lords to exist in other galaxies or whatever. (Incidentally, I had another problem with half your signature not being present when I started editing. I've tried to put it back as I found it, apologies if I didn't succeed.) I see you've now edited it to reflect that, so fair enough. [[User:Skteosk|Skteosk]] [[User talk:Skteosk|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:26, 25 June 2022 (UTC) | ::Okay, I ''kind'' of get what you're going for here, but I still think it's a lot more ambiguous than "the Doctor and the War Chief are the only ones to have stolen TARDIses". Okay, the War Chief says "we shall be the only two who can travel through both space and time". But that means...what exactly? They're obviously not the only two Time Lords in existence, because the climax of the story involves a visit to a planet which is full of other Time Lords who can also travel through space and time. You ''could'' interpret it as meaning they're the only Time Lords to have left Gallifrey, but you could equally interpret it as simply meaning that they'll have an advantage over the War Lords which means they can easily take over from them. I think it leaves plenty of room for other Renegade Time Lords to exist in other galaxies or whatever. (Incidentally, I had another problem with half your signature not being present when I started editing. I've tried to put it back as I found it, apologies if I didn't succeed.) I see you've now edited it to reflect that, so fair enough. [[User:Skteosk|Skteosk]] [[User talk:Skteosk|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:26, 25 June 2022 (UTC) | ||
== Terror of the Autons == | |||
There's a huge glaring problem with saying the War Chief/Master situation is solved, especially when using ''Doctor Who and the Terror of the Autons'' as supporting evidence. The War Chief did not escape from justice in The War Games. The War Lord *had him killed* (even if later stories retcon this or revive him, this doesn't change the shooting and order beforehand). The quote "Already he had been behind several Interplanetary Wars, always disappearing from the scene before he could be brought to justice. If ever he were caught, his fate would I be far worse than the Doctor’s exile." has NOTHING to do with that plot point. | |||
And the source ''Doctor Who and the Terror of the Autons'' (not talking about either version of ''The War Games'') absolutely nowhere "established that the Doctor and the Master were the only two renegades ever to have run away from Gallifrey". At all. It is adding misinformation to readd that. It's false. It's made up. There's no establishment irrespective of the War Chief link. | |||
If we want to split hairs about ''well, Time Lord monickers only came about later and that's why the War Chief has a different name''. Then it would probably be worth pointing out the Master escaping a clear death scene wouldn't really be a thing until probably Ainley's time. Maybe there's isolated points in the 70s, but as a defining moment? [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] [[User talk:Tybort|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
