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:::::#The extremely wordy way you're citing shorter works. I see no need to include the work from which a short story or comic is drawn. That's just making things cumbersome, and will render less useful our newly implemented templates like {{tl|DWM}}. Short stories and comics should be — for ease of use with templates and for reasons of sheer brevity — along the lines of [[DWA]]: "[[The Cloud Exiles]]". The reader has all they need to know with that, inasmuch as a simple citation is concerned. They see it's a short story that comes from an annual. If they really want to know ''which'' annual, they can click on [[The Cloud Exiles]]. The precise location of "The Cloud Exiles" is unimportant to the point being made. We do not now cite in such the long-winded way you suggest; there's no reason we should do so just because we switch from italics to quotes. | :::::#The extremely wordy way you're citing shorter works. I see no need to include the work from which a short story or comic is drawn. That's just making things cumbersome, and will render less useful our newly implemented templates like {{tl|DWM}}. Short stories and comics should be — for ease of use with templates and for reasons of sheer brevity — along the lines of [[DWA]]: "[[The Cloud Exiles]]". The reader has all they need to know with that, inasmuch as a simple citation is concerned. They see it's a short story that comes from an annual. If they really want to know ''which'' annual, they can click on [[The Cloud Exiles]]. The precise location of "The Cloud Exiles" is unimportant to the point being made. We do not now cite in such the long-winded way you suggest; there's no reason we should do so just because we switch from italics to quotes. | ||
:::::#What to do about televised non-fictional episodes. I can deal with all fictional televised stories being italicized, but what if it's an episode of ''[[Doctor Who Confidential]]''? Should the rule be, "If it's televised, it's italicized (unless it's a single ep of Hartnell)", or "If it's televised ''and fictional'', it's italicized (save Hartnell eps)"? You may not think this a big deal (and it's not ''that'' big a deal, yet), but I regularly cite ''Confidential'' eps, and have recently put in place the tools to begin making pages for the eps. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 18:26, June 25, 2010 (UTC) | :::::#What to do about televised non-fictional episodes. I can deal with all fictional televised stories being italicized, but what if it's an episode of ''[[Doctor Who Confidential]]''? Should the rule be, "If it's televised, it's italicized (unless it's a single ep of Hartnell)", or "If it's televised ''and fictional'', it's italicized (save Hartnell eps)"? You may not think this a big deal (and it's not ''that'' big a deal, yet), but I regularly cite ''Confidential'' eps, and have recently put in place the tools to begin making pages for the eps. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 18:26, June 25, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Sorry to jump in late on this discussion. I have to say, though, that I don't believe any of this to be necessary. The consistent visual style of the citations is far more pleasing to my eyes and brain than italicising some things and quoting others. We give episodes, short stories, and other works the same canonical weight when citing things to them, and I don't see why our citation style should change from one format to the next. Doing so looks subtly wrong to my eyes and causes an extra twinge of cognitive dissonance when reading an article. I do appreciate what CzechOut is saying about the standards of written English (wonderful language, all of them!) and were we writing about the stories in a plain sentence the rules would prevail. In | :Sorry to jump in late on this discussion. I have to say, though, that I don't believe any of this to be necessary. The consistent visual style of the citations is far more pleasing to my eyes and brain than italicising some things and quoting others. We give episodes, short stories, and other works the same canonical weight when citing things to them, and I don't see why our citation style should change from one format to the next. Doing so looks subtly wrong to my eyes and causes an extra twinge of cognitive dissonance when reading an article. I do appreciate what CzechOut is saying about the standards of written English (wonderful language, all of them!) and were we writing about the stories in a plain sentence, such as a mention in the body of a real-world article (Joe Actor played Character in ''Episode,'' Bob Author was the writer of "Short Story," etc.,) the rules would prevail. In the case of our citations, however, we are not doing so. Instead we are following an original style guide which this wiki's community came up with at the start where none existed in standard English, and which has made this wiki a pleasantly consistent thing to read, build, and use. [[User:Rob T Firefly|Rob T Firefly]] 01:05, June 27, 2010 (UTC) | ||
