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Why is it that we are asked for our feelings and then get into a long debate over logic and reason? I fail to see why we accept the fact that the Doctor was loomed ''and'' has a mother, father, brother and grandchildren, yet we strain at this particular gnat. Iris Wildthyme is part of the Doctor Who universe, so what she does and says away from the Doctor and the BBC-licensed parts of it are likewise part of it including her unlikely lies. You want my reasons, I demand that opposing material be composed in higgledy-piggledies or at least good solid clerihews. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 20:47, May 26, 2012 (UTC) | Why is it that we are asked for our feelings and then get into a long debate over logic and reason? I fail to see why we accept the fact that the Doctor was loomed ''and'' has a mother, father, brother and grandchildren, yet we strain at this particular gnat. Iris Wildthyme is part of the Doctor Who universe, so what she does and says away from the Doctor and the BBC-licensed parts of it are likewise part of it including her unlikely lies. You want my reasons, I demand that opposing material be composed in higgledy-piggledies or at least good solid clerihews. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 20:47, May 26, 2012 (UTC) | ||
:: Now that I've gotten that glob of bile out of my throat, I'd like to discuss a bit of a trend that disturbs me. You may think this is thread hijacking. I think it is not, but a discussion of the impetus behind this and other threads. | |||
::Any organization can and must reflect the opinions of the people running it at the moment, tempered by the difficulty of changing things -- inertia, if you will -- and a bit of consideration for those who will come after. I think in this discussion and in others like the thread about ''The Infinity Doctors'', Czechout has been trimming problematic works from consideration in this wiki. I have several issues with this. First, I am conservative in language and organization, feeling that there's no need to shoot the waltzing bears and replace them with dancing chickens simply because the former don't dance well; second there are real problems with continuity -- canon, if you will -- at the heart of the Whoniverse and worrying about what happens with people like Ms. Wildthyme when the Doctor is not around is small potatoes when we consider questions like the Doctor's age and what Time Lord family life really entails. | |||
::The third point is a philosophical one of how we organize this wiki. The original impetus was to make it inclusive: anything that might reasonably relate to the universe of Doctor Who was welcome. Czechout has been working to rationalize that attitude on a case-by-case basis. Each case can be justified on its own terms -- and by citing similar decision made in the past, the way the jettisoning of Faction paradox has come up in this thread. It's true that a lot of the Obverse stuff doesn't fit well, but then, neither does a lot of the stuff at the core of consideration -- just considering the tv shows, how many times did Sarah Jane Smith see the Doctor between her tenure in the TARDIS and ''School Reunion''? | |||
::While Czechout's proposed changes are not wrong in the context of some views of how to organize this wiki, it is exclusive rather than inclusive and in the end it will be a very small and comparatively useless wiki. You can't remove the obviously wrong stuff and nothing else. In the end it winds up like a mustache in a Marx Brother movie --- one more little snoop and it's gone. Well, people can change it back later if they disagree -- except there's that inertia working against that. | |||
::What's the answer? The radical one of getting rid of the non-canon tag altogether? Maybe, but I doubt that will fly. I do, however, think we have reached, if not passed the point of diminishing returns and we should give this entire type of thread a rest. Even though I expect Czechout will complain that this is thread-hijacking. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 22:54, May 26, 2012 (UTC) |
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