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==It can be argued that the events of episodes 2-5 are a dream by the Doctor...== | ==It can be argued that the events of episodes 2-5 are a dream by the Doctor...== | ||
Very interesting. | Very interesting. I would really like to know about | ||
*who has made this argument, | *who has made this argument, | ||
*why they thought this was the case, | *why they thought this was the case, | ||
*whether it's been interpreted in this way in any other source, like a reference in any other episode or other media?, and | *whether it's been interpreted in this way in any other source, like a reference in any other episode or other media?, and | ||
*how this perspective on the story might be useful. | *how this perspective on the story might be useful. (I can see bits and bobs of this last part in the paragraph that is currently there, but it doesn't quite come together for me.) | ||
More details please! | More details please! [[User:TheangelJean|the angel Jean - Smith's little elf]] 09:06, July 26, 2010 (UTC) | ||
==Re: It can be argued...== | |||
Hi angel, I actually didn't make the claim, I don't know who did. I merely moved the comment into what I thought was a more appropriate heading than it was in. | |||
Frankly, I'm a bit of a literalist about these sorts of things, so discussions like this make my eyes either 1) roll, or 2) glaze over. :)--[[User:Jesster2|Jesster2]] 18:34, July 26, 2010 (UTC) | |||
*Heh. I guess I should have looked harder, when I checked whose toes I might be stepping on ... It turns out to have been added by an anonymous IP who made a bunch of edits on July 23 2008, and none since. I agree with you and I would call it unfounded speculation ... I'm going to do a Google search for sources, and if I don't find anything I'm just going to remove it. [[User:TheangelJean|the angel Jean - Smith's little elf]] 06:52, July 27, 2010 (UTC) | |||
**Okay, I've removed it, the text I removed is reproduced here: | |||
"It can be argued that the events of episodes 2-5 are a dream by the Doctor. He doesn't know Zoe as well as he will and so thinks she would recognise candles, however in ''[[The Space Pirates]]'' she doesn't. Jamie's facial transformation could be a reference to his own recent regeneration, the Master of the Land of Fiction could be another reference to the Master who the Doctor has recently met in ''[[The Dark Path]]''. This, however, would involve discounting the re-appearances of the Land of Fiction in the [[Virgin New Adventures]] and ''[[Doctor Who Magazine]]''." | |||
== Unsourced claim == | |||
I removed the following to the talk page as it is unsourced. The speculation of "some fans" is not relevant to the wiki unless it is sourced. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:34, August 29, 2014 (UTC) | |||
* There are elements in this story that some fans have interpreted as meaning the events in ''The Mind Robber'' are all a [[dream]]. For example, the changing of Jamie's face may be a manifestation of the Doctor's regeneration trauma. Zoe also recognises [[candle]]s, despite not knowing what they are in ''[[The Space Pirates (TV story)|The Space Pirates]]''. Significantly, despite the Master of the Land being with the TARDIS crew at the end of this story, his absence is not remarked upon at the start of the following story, ''[[The Invasion]]''. In fact, ''none'' of the events of this story are mentioned or referenced at the start of the following story – indicating that the TARDIS crew may not even remember them properly (thus explaining Zoe's lack of knowledge about candles later). | |||
== Fictional depictions of real historical figures == | |||
"The Blackbeard and Cyrano de Bergerac shown here are the fictional depictions of real historical figures." | |||
So is d'Artagnan.[[Special:Contributions/165.225.80.225|165.225.80.225]]<sup>[[User talk:165.225.80.225#top|talk to me]]</sup> 16:05, October 19, 2017 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 16:05, 19 October 2017
I know the Firebird Trilogy had not been written when the story aired...[[edit source]]
...but is there an in-universe reason why the master computer did not simply have someone from that 'verse appear and put the Doctor, Jamie, and Zoë under voice-command and make them submit? The Land of Fiction includes every story ever, you know. Tawaki 04:15, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
It can be argued that the events of episodes 2-5 are a dream by the Doctor...[[edit source]]
Very interesting. I would really like to know about
- who has made this argument,
- why they thought this was the case,
- whether it's been interpreted in this way in any other source, like a reference in any other episode or other media?, and
- how this perspective on the story might be useful. (I can see bits and bobs of this last part in the paragraph that is currently there, but it doesn't quite come together for me.)
More details please! the angel Jean - Smith's little elf 09:06, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
Re: It can be argued...[[edit source]]
Hi angel, I actually didn't make the claim, I don't know who did. I merely moved the comment into what I thought was a more appropriate heading than it was in.
Frankly, I'm a bit of a literalist about these sorts of things, so discussions like this make my eyes either 1) roll, or 2) glaze over. :)--Jesster2 18:34, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
- Heh. I guess I should have looked harder, when I checked whose toes I might be stepping on ... It turns out to have been added by an anonymous IP who made a bunch of edits on July 23 2008, and none since. I agree with you and I would call it unfounded speculation ... I'm going to do a Google search for sources, and if I don't find anything I'm just going to remove it. the angel Jean - Smith's little elf 06:52, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Okay, I've removed it, the text I removed is reproduced here:
"It can be argued that the events of episodes 2-5 are a dream by the Doctor. He doesn't know Zoe as well as he will and so thinks she would recognise candles, however in The Space Pirates she doesn't. Jamie's facial transformation could be a reference to his own recent regeneration, the Master of the Land of Fiction could be another reference to the Master who the Doctor has recently met in The Dark Path. This, however, would involve discounting the re-appearances of the Land of Fiction in the Virgin New Adventures and Doctor Who Magazine."
Unsourced claim[[edit source]]
I removed the following to the talk page as it is unsourced. The speculation of "some fans" is not relevant to the wiki unless it is sourced. Shambala108 ☎ 04:34, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
- There are elements in this story that some fans have interpreted as meaning the events in The Mind Robber are all a dream. For example, the changing of Jamie's face may be a manifestation of the Doctor's regeneration trauma. Zoe also recognises candles, despite not knowing what they are in The Space Pirates. Significantly, despite the Master of the Land being with the TARDIS crew at the end of this story, his absence is not remarked upon at the start of the following story, The Invasion. In fact, none of the events of this story are mentioned or referenced at the start of the following story – indicating that the TARDIS crew may not even remember them properly (thus explaining Zoe's lack of knowledge about candles later).
Fictional depictions of real historical figures[[edit source]]
"The Blackbeard and Cyrano de Bergerac shown here are the fictional depictions of real historical figures."
So is d'Artagnan.165.225.80.225talk to me 16:05, October 19, 2017 (UTC)
