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Unfortunately, upon a careful consideration by three admin, we have come to the conclusion that this hidden comment could not prevent such incorrect edits from happening again. Here is why. | Unfortunately, upon a careful consideration by three admin, we have come to the conclusion that this hidden comment could not prevent such incorrect edits from happening again. Here is why. | ||
The page does not in any way indicate that you self-identify as androgynous and use both she/her and he/him. Since you edited this page before, I infer that you do not want this information to be present there, a wish we can fully respect. However, the consequence of this choice is that an editor looking at your page is not alerted to the duality of pronouns as your personal choice. While this can be uncovered by a | The page does not in any way indicate that you self-identify as androgynous and use both she/her and he/him. Since you edited this page before, I infer that you do not want this information to be present there, a wish we can fully respect. However, the consequence of this choice is that an editor looking at your page is not alerted to the duality of pronouns as your personal choice. While this can be uncovered by a series of clicks, it is sadly not reasonable to expect every single editor, including occasional and IP editors to verify their every edit. | ||
While it is now clear for you, me, SOTO, Danniesen, [[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revanvolatrelundar]], and several other editors that the information is correct, somebody else can look at the page believing it to describe a cisgender and deciding to protect this cisgender from misgendering by unifying the pronouns. It is only too well known that men can get very offended by being mistaken for a woman, and vice versa. (Being a male cisgender myself, I do not see why being called "she" should be offensive, but others do take offence when a wrong pronoun is used, and it is natural for an editor to try preventing such an offence from happening.) | While it is now clear for you, me, SOTO, Danniesen, [[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revanvolatrelundar]], and several other editors that the information is correct, somebody else can look at the page believing it to describe a cisgender and deciding to protect this cisgender from misgendering by unifying the pronouns. It is only too well known that men can get very offended by being mistaken for a woman, and vice versa. (Being a male cisgender myself, I do not see why being called "she" should be offensive, but others do take offence when a wrong pronoun is used, and it is natural for an editor to try preventing such an offence from happening.) | ||
Revision as of 00:19, 20 August 2019
NikisketchesThanks for your edits! We hope you'll keep on editing with us. This is a great time to have joined us, because now you can play the Game of Rassilon with us and win cool stuff! Well, okay, badges. That have no monetary value. And that largely only you can see. But still: they're cool!
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Regarding the page of Niki Haringsma
Hi, first of all, as an admin here, let me officially welcome you on this wiki.
Secondly, let me assure you that, as already pointed out by SOTO, our policy T:ACTOR#Crediting trans people (applicable to all creative people behind DW and which I had the honour of co-creating and enforcing) affirms everyone's right to self-determination.
Upon reviewing the edits at the page Niki Haringsma and its talk page, it is absolutely clear that the only reason pronouns were changed was a misunderstanding. The moment the situation cleared, Danniesen even added a hidden comment to avoid this situation from repeating in the future.
Unfortunately, upon a careful consideration by three admin, we have come to the conclusion that this hidden comment could not prevent such incorrect edits from happening again. Here is why.
The page does not in any way indicate that you self-identify as androgynous and use both she/her and he/him. Since you edited this page before, I infer that you do not want this information to be present there, a wish we can fully respect. However, the consequence of this choice is that an editor looking at your page is not alerted to the duality of pronouns as your personal choice. While this can be uncovered by a series of clicks, it is sadly not reasonable to expect every single editor, including occasional and IP editors to verify their every edit.
While it is now clear for you, me, SOTO, Danniesen, Revanvolatrelundar, and several other editors that the information is correct, somebody else can look at the page believing it to describe a cisgender and deciding to protect this cisgender from misgendering by unifying the pronouns. It is only too well known that men can get very offended by being mistaken for a woman, and vice versa. (Being a male cisgender myself, I do not see why being called "she" should be offensive, but others do take offence when a wrong pronoun is used, and it is natural for an editor to try preventing such an offence from happening.)
Thus, an editor can reproduce the offending edits for the very purpose of trying to avoid offending you. But what about the hidden comment, you would ask? Well, it is not visible in the VisualEditor (which many people, including you, prefer for editing). In other words, a well-meaning editor using the VisualEditor would receive no information that would stop them from editing.
The only way to prevent this from happening in the future, therefore, is to protect your page from editing by anyone other than an admin. This has been done, and, since most of the admin are now aware of you being non-binary, you can be rest assured that this will not happen again.
The side effect is that you will not be able to edit your page either. But that is, in fact, how it should be. We have a long-standing policy T:NO SELF REF disallowing anyone from providing information about themselves. This policy is rather universal: compare it, for instance, with an even more restrictive Wikipedia policy. Your friend NateBumber knows this policy well and does not edit contents of his page or of pages of his stories, leaving this task to other, more impartial and unbiased editors.
This, however, does not mean that you have no say in what your page states. While not able or allowed to edit it directly, you can request an edit (a similar mechanism is employed by Wikipedia). To make things simpler and friendlier for you, instead of a faceless template, we have assigned a whole admin to be responsible for hearing your wishes and implementing them (naturally, in accordance with all wiki policies). Thus, if you feel that something on your page requires changing (e.g., a pronoun), please, leave a message on the talk page of our own proudly non-binary admin SOTO. They will be sure to understand your concerns much better than any cisgender every could.
Needless to say, we welcome your contributions on any other page of the wiki unrelated to you. Happy editing! Amorkuz ☎ 00:13, August 20, 2019 (UTC)
