Talk:The Edge of Time (video game): Difference between revisions
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== Validity == | == Validity == | ||
Hi, I am not familiar with the policy arround it but do we need a debate to put this story as valid. It's just as linear as the Adventure Games with the Eleventh Doctor (maybe even more) so it seems a no-brainer to me.[[User:RingoRoadagain|RingoRoadagain]] [[User talk:RingoRoadagain|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:24, November 16, 2019 (UTC) | Hi, I am not familiar with the policy arround it but do we need a debate to put this story as valid. It's just as linear as the Adventure Games with the Eleventh Doctor (maybe even more) so it seems a no-brainer to me.[[User:RingoRoadagain|RingoRoadagain]] [[User talk:RingoRoadagain|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:24, November 16, 2019 (UTC) | ||
:No debate is needed because we've already had the debate about this kind of game/story. I'll look up the relevant discussion(s) later and get back to you. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:32, November 16, 2019 (UTC) | :No debate is needed because we've already had the debate about this kind of game/story. I'll look up the relevant discussion(s) later and get back to you. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:32, November 16, 2019 (UTC) | ||
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:::::For games with a multi-choice ending I understand and agree not putting them as valid (although [[Flip-Flop (audio story)]] is). I can also understand a mushy middle such as gamebooks, pinballs, skype bots or RPG campaigns and so on not being valid (although [[You Are the Doctor (audio story)]] is). | :::::For games with a multi-choice ending I understand and agree not putting them as valid (although [[Flip-Flop (audio story)]] is). I can also understand a mushy middle such as gamebooks, pinballs, skype bots or RPG campaigns and so on not being valid (although [[You Are the Doctor (audio story)]] is). | ||
:::::But when the game is so linear --having a fixed ending and no branching that I know of-- I don't really understand why it being a first-person POV should make it invalid. To me, the only difference with [[Destiny of the Doctors (video game)]] is that the VR one is non descriptive on the matter of who the player character is.[[User:RingoRoadagain|RingoRoadagain]] [[User talk:RingoRoadagain|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:01, November 17, 2019 (UTC) | :::::But when the game is so linear --having a fixed ending and no branching that I know of-- I don't really understand why it being a first-person POV should make it invalid. To me, the only difference with [[Destiny of the Doctors (video game)]] is that the VR one is non descriptive on the matter of who the player character is.[[User:RingoRoadagain|RingoRoadagain]] [[User talk:RingoRoadagain|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:01, November 17, 2019 (UTC) | ||
::::::For whatever it's worth, one of the many sources that I have listed on [[Howling:The Howling|The Howling]], though not BBC itself, says that the game is basically a playable TV story. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:20, November 17, 2019 (UTC) |
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Delayed on Oculus Quest
So the Oculus Quest version has been delayed for a month, and there was apparently no other official communication about it besides a tweet reply from Maze Theory. https://www.vrfocus.com/2019/10/oculus-quest-version-of-doctor-who-the-edge-of-time-coming-december/ And when you go check on the Quest shop, it is indeed absent, despite still being listed in the launch trailer. Chapmic ☎ 10:40, November 16, 2019 (UTC)
Validity
Hi, I am not familiar with the policy arround it but do we need a debate to put this story as valid. It's just as linear as the Adventure Games with the Eleventh Doctor (maybe even more) so it seems a no-brainer to me.RingoRoadagain ☎ 15:24, November 16, 2019 (UTC)
- No debate is needed because we've already had the debate about this kind of game/story. I'll look up the relevant discussion(s) later and get back to you. Shambala108 ☎ 17:32, November 16, 2019 (UTC)
- Best to mostly wait for the admin above to bring in the proper threads as citations, but if you're burning to know, I believe the basics is that (being a VR game) The Edge of Time naturally posits that you, the player, are the hero. As such, even if the rest of the story is linear, the identity of the main character is variable, and that's obviously variability enough to declare the story invalid. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 18:41, November 16, 2019 (UTC)
- I hope it's not the reason because, by that logic, You Are the Doctor (audio story) should not be valid.RingoRoadagain ☎ 18:49, November 16, 2019 (UTC)
- Shmabala will probably explain it better than me when she comes back, but it seems to me that as the title states, You Are the Doctor never actually leaves any doubt as to the main character's identity. It puts you in the Doctor's shoes, but doesn't posit that the Doctor looks like you, let alone is you. Whereas if I, Scrooge MacDuck, played The Edge of Time, the narrative conceit would be that I, myself, this human being, have been given a mission by the Doctor. I'm sure if the game (even still with a first-person POV) was titled You Are Amy Pond, it'd be fine. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 18:59, November 16, 2019 (UTC)
- Ok, here's the first example I found, but I know there's better reasoning elsewhere, which I am still trying to find: Talk:The Saviour of Time (video game). More to come... Shambala108 ☎ 01:00, November 17, 2019 (UTC)
- For games with a multi-choice ending I understand and agree not putting them as valid (although Flip-Flop (audio story) is). I can also understand a mushy middle such as gamebooks, pinballs, skype bots or RPG campaigns and so on not being valid (although You Are the Doctor (audio story) is).
- But when the game is so linear --having a fixed ending and no branching that I know of-- I don't really understand why it being a first-person POV should make it invalid. To me, the only difference with Destiny of the Doctors (video game) is that the VR one is non descriptive on the matter of who the player character is.RingoRoadagain ☎ 12:01, November 17, 2019 (UTC)
- For whatever it's worth, one of the many sources that I have listed on The Howling, though not BBC itself, says that the game is basically a playable TV story. --DCLM ☎ 12:20, November 17, 2019 (UTC)
- Shmabala will probably explain it better than me when she comes back, but it seems to me that as the title states, You Are the Doctor never actually leaves any doubt as to the main character's identity. It puts you in the Doctor's shoes, but doesn't posit that the Doctor looks like you, let alone is you. Whereas if I, Scrooge MacDuck, played The Edge of Time, the narrative conceit would be that I, myself, this human being, have been given a mission by the Doctor. I'm sure if the game (even still with a first-person POV) was titled You Are Amy Pond, it'd be fine. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 18:59, November 16, 2019 (UTC)
- I hope it's not the reason because, by that logic, You Are the Doctor (audio story) should not be valid.RingoRoadagain ☎ 18:49, November 16, 2019 (UTC)
- Best to mostly wait for the admin above to bring in the proper threads as citations, but if you're burning to know, I believe the basics is that (being a VR game) The Edge of Time naturally posits that you, the player, are the hero. As such, even if the rest of the story is linear, the identity of the main character is variable, and that's obviously variability enough to declare the story invalid. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 18:41, November 16, 2019 (UTC)