Template talk:Master stories

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Simplify?

As we no longer divide incarnations of the main Master by page, are all these subdivisions necessary or helpful? -- Tybort (talk page) 23:33, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

I say yes. People do care about the appearances of each incarnation individually. If anything, the crispy incarnations need to be separated from the Delgado incarnation here as most fans take them separately and it's clearly an out=of-universe template. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 01:03, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

New Master

By now, we have an official new regeneration of the Master, with a new major master story, which should be included in this template as well. --IrasCignavojo ☎ 15:27, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

We're waiting until part two of the finale to see if Missy really is the Master. See Thread:164874 for more information. P&P talk contribs 20:54, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Beevers is now a seperate incarnation

At the end of And You Will Obey Me (audio story), which seems to be set recently after The Deadly Assassin (TV story), the Master steals someone's body. Does this qualify him to have a separate section in this template? The Champion of Time ☎ 19:24, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

Beevers should be credited somewhere in the template, regardless. Memnarc ☎ 10:15, November 12, 2016 (UTC)

Dreyfus template must go

First of all, I would strongly advise BananaClownMan against any promotion of {{Dreyfus}} until he presents in-universe evidence that it is indeed the first incarnation of The Master, as required by T:IU.

Secondly, Pratt and Beevers play the incarnation(s?) in the same medium and look largely the same, with Pratt being chronologically the first actor to play it. At the same time, Ainley, who looks different, is separated from them. Correct me if I'm wrong but there was also a lengthy discussion of the Master's life, messy as it is, resulting in the status quo.

Hughes and Dreyfus do not look the same. The proof that they play the same incarnation has not been presented. And Hughes predates Dreyfus by about a decade. Whether a template {{Hughes}} might make sense is a big question (no one needed it for many years). But it can certainly not be called "Dreyfus" if used this way. Templates like these are made for convenience only, for ease of use. Making editors use Dreyfus for the story The Sound of Drums is completely counterintuitive from any perspective. It will make things worse, not better for an average editor. Amorkuz ☎ 01:02, January 8, 2018 (UTC)

earliest?

Hi, I was wondering if there was any in-universe comfirmation that the Master never regenerated since he was 8yo until becoming a renegade? As it is currently, the template seems to indicate that it was always the same incarnation.

If there isn't any confirmation (and i assume there is not since we did not fuse it with the Dreyfuss incarnation) then i would suggest changing changing the name "Earliest" to something else like just "Early" (if we want to be more in-depth then maybe "Pre-renegade"?)RingoRoadagain ☎ 09:35, November 2, 2019 (UTC)

reverted

Why was my edit reverted? Having a link that ends mid-word is not correct form. - UtherSRG ☎ 16:37, January 3, 2020 (UTC)

The link is to "The Master", not "The Master's" (possessive). That's also likely the reason why MediaWiki won't include letters past punctuation like apostrophes within the bounds of a link. This is not a mistake or a limitation; this is how links work unilaterally across the wiki.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 18:59, January 3, 2020 (UTC)

My edit didn't make the link any different, just changed how the link is displayed. I'm a veteran wiki editor. There's no reason to have a poor display when there's a reasonable way to have it displayed better. I'm going to unrevert. It doesn't break anything. - UtherSRG ☎ 19:05, January 3, 2020 (UTC)

For comparison: The Masters - The Master's - The Master's
Note that the middle one doesn't have the link connecting all of the letters, while the left and right ones do. - UtherSRG ☎ 19:08, January 3, 2020 (UTC)

Please see Tardis:Edit wars are good for absolutely nothing and Tardis:Do not disrupt this wiki to prove a point.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 19:12, January 3, 2020 (UTC)

Why do you prefer the link to be incorrectly displayed? - UtherSRG ☎ 19:15, January 3, 2020 (UTC)

Notice that all three of my examples all link to the same place, but that the display of the middle one is incorrect. - UtherSRG ☎ 19:16, January 3, 2020 (UTC)

So, I've gone through all of the current TV stories (starting from Rose (TV story)) to look at all of the templates used at the end of the articles. I think we are both wrong (you in just making a revert, me in what I wanted to edit it to). I think I now understand what you tried to say at first, but was confused that you only reverted and didn't make the correct fix. I believe the edit should be so that the title of the template looks like this: "The Master Stories". This aligns with all of the other templates. Agreed? - UtherSRG ☎ 21:25, January 3, 2020 (UTC)

"Echo" Master and Shalka Jacobi

Just wondering, is there any way to account for the fact that the "Echo" master introduced in PROSE: Sometime Never... is literally Jacobi's Master from Scream of the Shalka? We know that the two are the same because Sometime Never... literally borrows its description of this Master from the novelisation of Shalka. Might it make sense to have the Shalka Master as an orange invalid subsection of the "Echo" section? Maybe not, for it serves to erase the fact that Scream of the Shalka came first and has its own unique context for the Master. CoT ? 14:48, November 6, 2020 (UTC)

I think that for general consistency, if we have separate pages (or, in the valid one's case, section-of-page) for the two, it would be better not to conflate them on the template. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 15:09, November 6, 2020 (UTC)

Masterful's entropy wave

In the Masterful audio, which takes place in an aborted timeline, it is stated that the Kiameth force unleashed into the entropy wave is the final incarnation of the master. Kinda like Alien Bodies' Relic is for the Doctor.

In my opinion we should make a new "final incarnation" section for it just after the "unclear incarnation" one but not as an alternate universe one since it was a force in Kiameth already before the Simm Master experimented on it.RingoRoadagain ☎ 21:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC)