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Is there any reason why there should be separate [[Scream of the Shalka]] and Scream of the Shalka (webcast) articles? I don't see any reason for there to be separate articles, so if no one objects I will follow the old Wiki "Be Bold" philosophy and merge them, but I'll wait to see if there's any objection (I'm leaving a similar message on the talk page of the other article, too). [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 00:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | Is there any reason why there should be separate [[Scream of the Shalka (webcast)|Scream of the Shalka]] and Scream of the Shalka (webcast) articles? I don't see any reason for there to be separate articles, so if no one objects I will follow the old Wiki "Be Bold" philosophy and merge them, but I'll wait to see if there's any objection (I'm leaving a similar message on the talk page of the other article, too). [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 00:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
* Upon further comparison of the two articles there really is no reason for two separate articles to exist about the same production, so I have merged the content and changed this to a redirect to [[Scream of the Shalka]]. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 03:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | * Upon further comparison of the two articles there really is no reason for two separate articles to exist about the same production, so I have merged the content and changed this to a redirect to [[Scream of the Shalka (webcast)|Scream of the Shalka]]. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 03:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Continuity == | |||
The following was removed, since the story is non DWU, continuity cannot be added. | |||
* The Doctor tells [[Mathilda Pierce]] that her cat "must have used up his nine lives - rather like me." | |||
* Derek Jacobi appears in [[TV]]: ''[[Utopia (TV story)|Utopia]]'', again playing the Master. However, the Master depicted in ''Scream of the Shalka'' actually resembles the incarnation of {{Delgado}} played by [[Roger Delgado]] from [[1971]] to [[1973]]. | |||
* The Grant version of the Ninth Doctor has some similarities to [[Christopher Eccleston]]'s version of the character. Both Doctors are depicted as loners and emotionally damaged due to some unrevealed event in their (possibly recent) past. Both, however, ultimately realise they need a companion. In the Grant Doctor's case, it is hinted that he is reluctant to take on a new companion, possibly due to the (recent?) loss of one — a theme later followed by [[David Tennant]]'s [[Tenth Doctor]] after the loss of [[Rose Tyler]]. | |||
* In [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Gallifrey Chronicles (novel)|The Gallifrey Chronicles]]'', [[Marnal]] notes that the Eighth Doctor "has three ninth incarnations". This probably refers to the canonical [[Ninth Doctor]] played by Christopher Eccleston, this "Ninth Doctor" played by Richard E Grant, and the [[Ninth Doctor (The Curse of Fatal Death)|Ninth Doctor]] played by [[Rowan Atkinson]] in ''[[The Curse of Fatal Death]]''). | |||
Please do not re add this to the page. Thanks. [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 22:47, December 14, 2012 (UTC) | |||
: ''Once more,'' all this insformation is sound. #1 isn't a continuity note at all. #2 is more of a casting note. #3 is just a reference, no reference to continuity at all really. #4 is also a note of how a book made reference to this story. #4 definitely needs to be on the page, it's very important. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 22:53, December 14, 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Was David Tennant really in Scream of the Shalka? == | |||
Hi my name's Sam. | |||
I got the DVD of Scream of the Shalka from the Doctor Who Club of Australia magazine. I had read up before David Tennant had played the Caretaker in this. By all means it sounds like him, but the DVD does not credit him. It credits someone by the name of "Ben Morrison". https://www.dropbox.com/s/tx66b5u23vb4rkg/vlcsnap-2015-02-08-21h11m40s153.png?dl=0 Here is the screenshot of the credits where it credits Ben. So I wish to know any more information on it. Should this be added? or did David use a fake name for the production? I'd like to hear some thoughts on this. Thank you~ {{Unsigned|SamTheAngelFox}} | |||
:[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388894/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast IMDB], which I know isn't a valid source, has Ben Morrison's role as "McGrath". There isn't a page on the wiki for either the character or the actor. Can anyone shed some light on this? '''[[User:PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#002B7F">P&P</span>]] [[User_talk:PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#FCD116;font-size:0.6em">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#CE1126;font-size:0.6em">contribs</span>]]''' 00:48, February 9, 2015 (UTC) | |||
::According to several places on the wiki, most of which don't count as valid sources here, he had an uncredited role as the Caretaker. I have added source needed tags to the claims on [[David Tennant]] and [[Scream of the Shalka (webcast)]], and per [[Tardis:Cast lists]] I've removed his name from this article's cast list (but kept the info in the story notes). [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:08, February 9, 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Note for possible future validity discussion == | |||
With the present lack of ability to consult Thread:207499, or start any new forum discussion, I am noting here for now that episode 1 of the unmade ''Blood of the Robots'' was first-drafted in December 2003. | |||
Simon Clark and Paul Scoones can both personally attest to this. As can Jon Arnold, who covered the topic in Black Archive No. 10. This does raise quite a question in that it does mean the Shalka Doctor series was still in active development in December 2003 '''whilst the story was at least halfway through its release'''. Coupled with the active commission of ''The Feast of the Stone'', it does cast rather a bit of doubt on the situation. Why would the team on this still be actively working on a further story's script as ''Shalka'' went out, if they weren't of the belief that they would be continuing on & that they 'counted'? | |||
Of course, this isn't here for the making of any decisions and absolutely none will be made... but I thought it relevant to note here for the timebeing. [[User:JDPManjoume|JDPManjoume]] [[User talk:JDPManjoume|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:40, 23 May 2021 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 00:40, 23 May 2021
Merge request[[edit source]]
Is there any reason why there should be separate Scream of the Shalka and Scream of the Shalka (webcast) articles? I don't see any reason for there to be separate articles, so if no one objects I will follow the old Wiki "Be Bold" philosophy and merge them, but I'll wait to see if there's any objection (I'm leaving a similar message on the talk page of the other article, too). 23skidoo 00:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- Upon further comparison of the two articles there really is no reason for two separate articles to exist about the same production, so I have merged the content and changed this to a redirect to Scream of the Shalka. 23skidoo 03:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Continuity[[edit source]]
The following was removed, since the story is non DWU, continuity cannot be added.
- The Doctor tells Mathilda Pierce that her cat "must have used up his nine lives - rather like me."
- Derek Jacobi appears in TV: Utopia, again playing the Master. However, the Master depicted in Scream of the Shalka actually resembles the incarnation of the Master played by Roger Delgado from 1971 to 1973.
- The Grant version of the Ninth Doctor has some similarities to Christopher Eccleston's version of the character. Both Doctors are depicted as loners and emotionally damaged due to some unrevealed event in their (possibly recent) past. Both, however, ultimately realise they need a companion. In the Grant Doctor's case, it is hinted that he is reluctant to take on a new companion, possibly due to the (recent?) loss of one — a theme later followed by David Tennant's Tenth Doctor after the loss of Rose Tyler.
- In PROSE: The Gallifrey Chronicles, Marnal notes that the Eighth Doctor "has three ninth incarnations". This probably refers to the canonical Ninth Doctor played by Christopher Eccleston, this "Ninth Doctor" played by Richard E Grant, and the Ninth Doctor played by Rowan Atkinson in The Curse of Fatal Death).
Please do not re add this to the page. Thanks. MM/Want to talk? 22:47, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Once more, all this insformation is sound. #1 isn't a continuity note at all. #2 is more of a casting note. #3 is just a reference, no reference to continuity at all really. #4 is also a note of how a book made reference to this story. #4 definitely needs to be on the page, it's very important. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 22:53, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
Was David Tennant really in Scream of the Shalka?[[edit source]]
Hi my name's Sam.
I got the DVD of Scream of the Shalka from the Doctor Who Club of Australia magazine. I had read up before David Tennant had played the Caretaker in this. By all means it sounds like him, but the DVD does not credit him. It credits someone by the name of "Ben Morrison". https://www.dropbox.com/s/tx66b5u23vb4rkg/vlcsnap-2015-02-08-21h11m40s153.png?dl=0 Here is the screenshot of the credits where it credits Ben. So I wish to know any more information on it. Should this be added? or did David use a fake name for the production? I'd like to hear some thoughts on this. Thank you~ – The preceding unsigned comment was added by SamTheAngelFox (talk • contribs) .
- IMDB, which I know isn't a valid source, has Ben Morrison's role as "McGrath". There isn't a page on the wiki for either the character or the actor. Can anyone shed some light on this? P&P talk contribs 00:48, February 9, 2015 (UTC)
- According to several places on the wiki, most of which don't count as valid sources here, he had an uncredited role as the Caretaker. I have added source needed tags to the claims on David Tennant and Scream of the Shalka (webcast), and per Tardis:Cast lists I've removed his name from this article's cast list (but kept the info in the story notes). Shambala108 ☎ 03:08, February 9, 2015 (UTC)
Note for possible future validity discussion[[edit source]]
With the present lack of ability to consult Thread:207499, or start any new forum discussion, I am noting here for now that episode 1 of the unmade Blood of the Robots was first-drafted in December 2003. Simon Clark and Paul Scoones can both personally attest to this. As can Jon Arnold, who covered the topic in Black Archive No. 10. This does raise quite a question in that it does mean the Shalka Doctor series was still in active development in December 2003 whilst the story was at least halfway through its release. Coupled with the active commission of The Feast of the Stone, it does cast rather a bit of doubt on the situation. Why would the team on this still be actively working on a further story's script as Shalka went out, if they weren't of the belief that they would be continuing on & that they 'counted'?
Of course, this isn't here for the making of any decisions and absolutely none will be made... but I thought it relevant to note here for the timebeing. JDPManjoume ☎ 00:40, 23 May 2021 (UTC)